What is everyone's religion/non religion?(NO Arguments plz)

yes that is true dina but....If everyone believed atleast just believed that there is one God instead of denying the fact of believeing in a God or believeing in the Devil then it would be better. Without God we are nothing...."We are truley From Him and are Returning To Him". This has to be in every Bible, Qur'an, Injil and every other Holy book as they are His words

wow yama...first time i ever read wat u said completely (no offense :P)
OMG i wanna kill u.........promise me never to say that to any religious person ok...for ur own sake -.-'''

yeah humans are not and never will be perfect but we can bring gods beauty to everything

God is the only faith that will never let you down, and amazing thigns can happen when you put your faith there.

Your also right in saying that on their own steam, everyone WOULD go to hell for their actions. That is why I believe God is so amazing.
He sees us messing up his world, ignoring him and his guidances but is still desperatly wanting us to know him and waiting to forgive us.

I think it is unfair to say that "God is the only faith that will never let you down" Where is the proof??! If there was any, we would know there was a God. What amazing things can happen if you put your faith in God?! Nothing as far as i have found!

People *think* he is desperately wanting us to know him and waiting to forgive us, but in the old Testament God was a vengeful angry being who damned those who broke his rules. Why suddenly because someone decided to teach he is nice, is he no longer strict?! God has only been considered loving for about 2000 years or in the New Testament.
It seems to me people just decide to believe whatever they like there is no reason for them believing this about God. At one time it was taught he was a tyrant, the next he is a loving father figure. For all we know he could be completely apathetic to anything we do! People sin all the time and all that happens as a result is they get punished by humans if its law breaking, or NOTHING happens if it isn't illegal. Loads of so called sins change every few decades, heck i rang my church the other day to advise my partner is Pregnant will it have an effect on our upcoming marriage, and the priest (who is roman catholic!!) replied "As long as she doesn't give birth on the wedding day we should be fine!" he couldn't see why i was concerned, i expected the wrath of catholicism to descend upon me but he was laid back and laughing about it! Its more plausible that these "sins" were just a way of scaring people into not over breeding etc and now its less of a problem they are no longer sins. Note how its no longer a sin to be homosexual due to public uproar? Its a farce that they can change their rules!!!

Up until the age of about 12 i went to church every Sunday, attended a Catholic school and had an extremely religious family. I never questioned anything because i had been raised Catholic and i believed in God (I still believe in God now) Everything i was taught i took to be the truth, and i used to prey all the time for things, not silly things like a new Mega Drive or something pointless, proper things like looking after my family etc. The absolute key moments in my life when things have gone to pieces i have preyed and every time i have done, the complete opposite to what i asked has happened. Not just with deaths, but when my mum/nan were being tested for Cancer, when i have wanted something to go right, or even slightly easier. If iv wanted a bad day to pick up etc. It has never worked, and i am positive if it had i would have noticed and credited God for it, because its usually the kind of Scenario where your at your wits end. It felt like id done something so many times without response that there was just no point doing it any more, i now do not prey for things i want to go well etc, or things i want to get better, because it feels like doing so will actually make things worse.

If you fail at something, and then try again and it runs smoother/ you achieve it, that is entirely down to you in my opinion. It is a bit self deprecating to say that you can only overcome your foibles with Gods help, i would suspect if you met God and said "Thanks for your help" he would say "I didn't do anything, it was all you" That being said, that means your faith helps you to overcome obstacles, which of course is a huge plus.

I understand that he sent his son down to forgive us of our sins, he died so that we may live etc. But what kind of lesson does that teach? To use the children analogy you use further on, if i punished one of my children for everything the other child did, i don't think they would learn as well for it. If it happened to someone they loved perhaps, eg if someone punished my partner for everything i did i would of course stop doing whatever it was that was evil. It makes a lot of people think "I can sin because Jesus will take the fall for it" which isn't right.

I am unable to quote specifics without going on a wild Google hunt, but the main thing about God changing from wrathful to nice i was focusing on is that God never used to be about the forgiveness, those who sinned were damned to hell for eternity, those who repented were saved. Now days it sounds like you are saved regardless, or if you go to hell and don't like it, you get forgiven for realizing it wasn't the best idea to be so evil after all because you don't like life in hell. It seems a bit of a cop out to think that "if i go to hell and don't like it, il apologize and God will forgive me and let me into Heaven" does that make sense? I know that for the good, he is all loving and just etc.

The key thing as well is that the Jewish religion (of which Christianity is a branch) has a far stricter idea of God, one that definitely requires you to follow his word to the letter, Islam is also a branch of Judaism and they seem to follow on this extremely orthodox and strict rule that the word is sacred and can not be deviated from. I know there are orthodox Christians who follow the word to the letter etc, but they preach forgiveness and niceties as the truth when their beliefs are an off branch of a religion that reaches back beyond theirs (i say theirs, but i mean ours considering i am RC after all) and which does not preach such forgiving ways etc. Jews/Muslims live their lives as if deviation from the rules means eternal damnation etc, where as Christians seem to live their lives as if it means repenting at the end of it all and learning the error of your ways. I might be wrong in thinking that, but that is how it seems.

The fact that man created the deviations from Judaism (which is an off branch from something more ancient in itself i think??) and then created even more deviations from those deviations, eg the many factions of Christianity, makes me feel like people are just picking and choosing what to believe, and cutting out the bits that do not fit their ways of life. That cant be allowed! If the orthodox people are correct then a fair percentage of people are going to hell, and very few will make it into heaven. If they are right, then we're already doomed whats to stop us doing anything we want? If they are wrong, then again, there is nothing stopping us from sinning except our own self control and societies rules. If forgiveness is truth then we can apologize when we repent in hell, if there is no hell, there is no consequences to what we did on earth, (except any punishment given on earth eg jail)

In relation to the last 8 lines, i think peoples beliefs in what God feels/thinks/wants etc are very inconsistent, that is not to say God is, just that we blatantly do not have a clue whether he wants anything at all, and so people try to decide what he does/does not want and Man seems to create Gods opinion on every given scenario and then decide that HAS to be right. The examples that come to mind first are always homosexuals because someone decided that a section of the bible forbids it. There are others which are equally laughable by todays standards. Not eating meat on a friday was a sin for centuries. Divorce and infidelity too. Now they are commonplace, someone has to have decided that God was against eating meat on Fridays and declared it the truth etc, and then someone else has decided since that that is a preposterous rule and that whoever wrote it was insane. God (supposedly) gave us 10 commandments, anything else is just constructed by man. The 10 commandments are pretty much what our regular laws now state, meaning they have been enforced into society as a code to follow, and they are something we now consider common sense. Everything else eventually gets overridden it seems.


I hope that is a good answer, yours was definitely interesting and it took me a good half an hour + to reply!

The first paragraph being said, i can think of some times when things have gone my way which go against what i am saying, which i suppose adds to my confusion more!

I never preyed, but i did WISH i would meet my future wife whilst on my way to the place i met her the very next day. I know that sounds corny and i don't know if i have told her before, but i honestly did wish this on the Wednesday night, and meet her on the Thursday night! I wasn't asking God to do it, i wasn't wishing on anything specific, (I think i was staring at the sky whilst walking my dog late at night, looking at the stars which is even more embarrassing to write! but heck, it worked!)

Again i wanted my mum/nan to get better from Cancer and of course they did. Granted it eventually killed my nan, but she was 81 and had a long good life. But again i don't think i preyed for these cures etc, i wanted them and willed them, but if God made them happen, he did it because he knew i wanted it not because i asked him for it. Although i know of course that plenty of others would have been preying so who is to say their prayers didn't do it? I personally felt preying might jynx things like it had in the past.

The reason I'm atheist?
(just want to say lol)
Well I was brought up christian I stopped believing at around the age of 5 and a half. When I started to think about other religeons I tried quite a few and decided that I wouldn't belong to any religeons as they all seem to be roughly the same.
It's strange how they push religeons on the young they tried to stifle my intelligence by telling me to believe everything is as it always was and always will remain.

I stopped believing I couldn't believe there was something like a ghost that saw everything and I could do 2+2 since I was 4 and tie my shoes!
Just cause some people develop slowly doesn't mean everyone does!!!
The simple fact was that it was also very hard to swallow this belief system and my parents were atheist but my grand parents and my school wasn't.

I never said I understood them it was the lack of information that put me off.

If think you are just arrogant I honestly didn't believe it I wasn't stuck in day dream land when I was 4 I was in a rough area I had to come out of those delusions of everythings perfect early.
I admit I never said I understood them I never said I was smart enough to comprohend everything about religeons yet I never claimed I did.
Adults you always add things to our stories to make us wrong when techniquely we wrren't youforce us to be wrong by altering our stories telling others your version of what we said or what you saw.

Also your child is smart although I was learning up to 100 in year 2 I didn't get all of it I made it to 70 near the end of the year but I was like 6 or 7 at the time.
Your brain has been dying since you were 21 so stop trying to lecture me yes you have more experiance but that doesn't mean you're right.

I never mocked them I was onabout the "almighty spirit" or "God".

True but it shows how he wants us to beg for forgiveness constantly

I'm A Christan now!

good for you.

Hey don't judge me.
You're not "God" you're notaloud to judge.

I know God is not like Santa Claus, but the point i was making about preying to him is that as far as i remember preying has not had any effect on the scenario at hand, and usually the opposite happens. If i didn't have belief in him i wouldn't of preyed! I believe God exists, or that there is some kind of supreme being at least who created the universe, I don't believe God is some kind of Personal guide or personal helper etc and i also don't feel he requires our belief in him. I do believe because its logical to believe that there is something that started the universe and was the cause of it all etc.
Why do people prey then if God is not there to do favors whenever people want etc? I never said i was asking for a cheeky favor here and there etc, it was serious stuff, i guess believers would put it down to a "grand scheme" though, which might be right! There is no way of knowing i guess.


The man whos family was killed is definitely an example of overwhelming faith, but what gave him that faith? He believes in this because somebody told him to, his beliefs are imposed upon him from a young age etc (i presume?), why else would he forgive the man who murdered his family, instead of questioning why God let a man murder his family etc. Does he explain his reasons for his unquestionable faith in something that has shown no signs of interacting with us??

With reguards to Hell, who says this is true? That it is to late. There are all different types of beliefs such as pergatory, where you work off your sins and the belief that you will be judged by all of your actions both good and bad and they will weigh against one another to figure out wether you have had an overly good or bad life.

What changed from the old testament to the new testament with regards to sacrafices? We seem to have just decided it was fruitless and stopped, its the same kind of thing as the rules changing in the church to fit in with society it seems. All this information about sacrefices and God speaking to humans in an audiable voice are from scriptures written thousands of years ago that we have no way of prooving right or wrong. We might not even be translating the words right, which is highly likely considering the ammount of translation errors in the new testiment eg the word we translated to Virgin was actually (apparently) "Young woman" in its original language, so the young woman Mary is no where near as mystical as the young woman mary, and Joseph being a carpenter is actually meant to say "Learned man" it seems. If we have these minute things wrong, whats to say that we are not believing in something that is entirely wrong, a few key words here and there and Mary goes from being a miracle mother, to a young mother! Also the same book has many parts missing from it, either lost in time, or removed by the romans! So how do we know they havn't added bits in, or taken away the logical explanations to some "miracles" etc. We are being taught a story which has been edited, changed and abused over the past 2000 years, its difficult to swallow!

I obviously cant say "The Bible is not true" because that would be arrogant and short sighted, But the fact is that you can believe everything in the bible is true, but how can it be true when we firstly dont know all of the story because parts are missing, and then the information is inaccurate, and exaggerated. It is all from the perspective of people around at the time with their own agendas, and some parts are even written over 300 years after Jesus was said to have lived!

Of course a death bed repent is not going to work if it is false etc etc, but confession and reconciliation are all about claiming forgiveness from God for our sins etc. Wipeing the slate clean and starting afresh etc. People have their last rights before death, and a priest comes around hospitals to forgive them for what they have done etc. Why do they give this forgiveness when people should not be sinning in the first place? If God can forgive people alive he can forgive them dead too.

As you say about Jews/Muslims/Christians, why is it that the rules/themes differ slightly between all 3, surely if we can see that they came from the same tree, that we are all believing the same thing. All 3 must believe Jesus existed, 1 devotes overwhelming importance to him, another makes him a prophet of God and the other claims he was a fraud (As there had been many) The Gods in all 3, regardless of Jesus, should be exactly the same. Yet christians have a forgiving loving God, whilst Muslims have a more militant and unyielding God.




To me the fact that Jesus is the Son of God is undeniable - id like to hear your reasons :) (No sarcasm or anything in all iv written, i am very interested)

Iv tried to read the bible, it is a difficult book to read what with being disjointed etc. But i grew up being taught religion on a daily basis at school, it doesn't mean i have an in depth knowledge of it, but it means i know the basics at least.

People dedicating their lives to translating it are not going to be 100% factual by default, but if bibles include those other translations in the notes then why on earth did they think it more likely that it was "virgin Mary" instead of the more logical "Young woman Mary?!" They cant just go for the most supernatural translations every time to make it sound more spectacular, they should have gone for the most plausible realistic options. Its the same kind of thing with the universe being created in 7 days, they then find out that the word for days actually meant "periods of time" or something like that, so it could have been decades, millennia etc etc

Jesus as a Jew, had no choice but to live and teach the old Testament, it was the only testament that existed for starters, and also about the only book anyone (who wasn't rich/royalty) ever owned/read at the time. The level of work that went into selecting the books that made the cut was not done by Jesus or the deciples etc, it was done by the church to decided what to take seriously, what to ignore, what to cover up, and what served no purpose. If the bible is really Jesus/Gods word and his teachings, then ALL of it should be relevant and if certain parts contradict one another, then who is to say which is true?!

Many parts of the bible are written around 300AD not 0-40AD when Jesus was around! Obviously the Gospels are written by those closest to Jesus and are supposed to be from the time etc, but there are tons of other gospels written by people who were also there, but whose word has been left out again by those who decided which to keep and which to ignore. I'm not saying they have written lies, but if i write a letter to you about fishing for example, and say i caught a massive fish. You are going to imagine a fish you consider massive (that is probably not massive in the first place as id be exaggerating no doubt) and then if, for some reason, you were telling the story to people and they were telling it to others for 2000 years, Chinese whispers are going to blow the story out of proportion entirely. I guess that is a poor example, but does it make sense? Their faith will make them exaggerate his goodness, which in turn will make people exaggerate it more to convince others that it is true.

What predictions have happened? Again im not familiar, i know people derive code from the bible etc, but thats like looking for something in text until you find it, i could do that with any book surely?

wow this thread can go on for ever.
Look at this.....all of u are seriously blind...we are ll arguing about religion.....but none of u are realising this thread is making us all talk about one thing....that one thing is IF GOD EXISTS
and judging by this thread i say yes.....becoz everyone is fighting with their words trying to say that He does exist...but we are just too stubborn to lisn