Younger Users - Is there any point?

dude, then stop calling out a good decision made by a mod

What some of you don't seem to understand is that T.H.F.C.'s not against the decision Voxy made to lock that thread. His concern is that if moderators are just going to lock off-topic, duplicate, nonsensical threads, why doesn't Listal and it's moderators just ban the perpetrators (i.e. younger members that always seem to "ruin" a good, thought-provoking thread) altogether? Take for instance the global warming thread, it had the potential to become something we could all contribute to harmoniously, yet it turned to talk of water slides and other ridiculous things... And I believe a younger user even started this thread! He may not have proposed his ideas in an entirely intelligent way, but he certainly tried, I think. Some obviously aren't as bad as others, but my god, there sure are some stinkers here!

I can understand T.H.F.C.'s point and I do agree with him. Although I've not yet spent a great deal of time here in the forums, it only takes a moment to realize that there are two polar opposites who contribute to them. One, I'm interested in conversing with and comparing interests, and the other, well, I just don't care to bother. What's the point? It's influenced which threads I do and don't post in. And I think some members feel the same way I do about this...

And it's not rocket science, folks, there is no formula one can follow in order to make one's self seem or be more intelligent and post better threads on here. You're either a moron or you're not, it's that simple. Sure, we've all been young and silly at one point, and it takes life experience and other things to help us grow, but please, I don't think Listal is the place for these stinkers to "grow"! Let's drop them off at a forum where their kind is welcome, they can feed off of one another, and then with some time, when they've got their wits about them, they can come back to Listal and contribute. :)

Call me elitist, snobby, mean, whatever. I won't deny that I'm not any of these, but you have to draw a line somewhere, people. I think the moderators do an excellent job here, but you do have to question whether something further must be done to help curb stupidity...

350125g0, Thank you!! Il laugh so much if everyone goes

"My God,your right 350125g0!! I wish someone had said this sooner!"

Glad im not just looking like a foolish Nazi.

No, that's a different thread, G, although just as mornonic. The global warming thread had a title like, "North Pole going to melt" or something like that.


EDIT: Here it is:

http://www.listal.com/groups/viewthread/8738/

I think what your saying makes sense R.A.B. The way iv been looking at it is the wider majority of contributers are adults 18+ and so they, we, whoever, expect an adult level of communication.

I certainly do not have brilliant grammatical skills, but my spelling is reasonable, and i can write more than a couple of words in a response. I expect that in return from everyone who writes in my threads, not in a demanding way, its just common sense and drives the conversation. I am sure whenever someone else on here writes a thread they expect it to provoke proper debate/conversation. They dont expect to see "I agree with 350125g0" and nothing more, nor do they expect a completely unrelated tangent.

"previous poster" threads, whilst annoying if there's a high proliferation of them, are't too bad in themselves, and can be good icebreakers. They're mindless fun, that can lead to new members taking the first step to contributing, can draw people together who might not otherwise have paid any heed to eachother, and don't piss too many people off

Well, I know I started a thread to bring everyone out and discuss something completely and utterly simple. Nothing pretentious, nothing too thought-provoking; I just asked everyone what their screen name meant. Even the younger users are contributing and all seems well so far...

Of course all threads can't and shouldn't be this simple. I'd like to discuss global warming, religion, music, etc., but... well, I touched on the reason why I don't in my first post up yonder. ;)

If Adolf Hitler had been born a century later, I could well imagine him sat before his computer, having that very same thought...

Bwahahaha Godwin's Law.

err, my two cents on the matter
Even if all of those undesired users were banned, who's to decide which user was worthy or not? Sure there are some that are outright ridiculous but some others fall on somewhat less questionable grounds.

Well thats where the Mods decisions would be respected Chibi. I dont think anybody wants a gung ho culling, every time someone does wrong ban them etc. If someones a repeat offender it should be enforced asap, and there are an extreme number of repeat offenders.

Well I'm not exactly up to date on all the latest Mod powers but I was under the impression that they could do temporary bans but as far as I know only Tom can delete accounts permanently. Perhaps this is an issue to be taken to Listal Development instead?

Personally they (the undesired users? lol) don't bother me as much as they used to, but eh...

Funnily enough, this thread is still on topic? The discussion has to evolve, its not like we are talking about water slides etc!

As far as im aware chibi, they can do temp bans. Perhaps a system should be put in place formally, eg 3 warnings then banned etc.

Perhaps a system should be put in place formally, eg 3 warnings then banned etc.

Good call, T.H.F.C.. I think that's a smart rule and something not entirely too complicated for the moderators to keep up with. And if not banned, then a "time out" for sure, like a few weeks "vacation" from Listal if they can't learn their lesson after three warnings. ;p

A good way to monitor it could be perhaps making a thread then locking it, which would mean only the mod who made it eg Voxy or Gemlil, could edit the thread. Then it could just show all the users on 1 or more warnings and if you get to 3 bam your out.

did i miss something?

Yeah, but you still proved a point.

Truely I myself cannot pick a side for I am fifteen years old and yes most of you might remember me back when I was Koji but I have changed in my time away becuase the site I went to was horribly unorganized and to say everyone there annoyed me till I was ready to kill myself. I think if we can all learn to respect one another then we can possibly and most likely solve this problem. I also understand that respect is not something that is just given to you and that you have to earn it. What I am trying to say is if we 'kids' as you call us can learn how to sound more intelligent and use complete sentences like I am and if the adults on the site can learn to at least listen and think about our ideas before shooting them down then we could all easily get along. If you do not like this idea I am sorry but this was the best i could come up with and as sorry as I am to say this I am happy to see the Anime and Random sections gone. Thank you for your time.

Nice post Ventruss, if all you guys could actually keep to that and follow through, i would promise to never moan again!

Just as an idea, maybe it could be possible to have an adults only forum area. That way the kids still have their place to play within reason and the older crowd of Listal has their own sanctuary if they want it.

Why thank you RB6k. I plan to stick with what I said and I hope to help all the other younger users do the same. As long as it is in my power I will try to help.

Oh give me a break GB...way to twist an idea around to the extreme.

Not to mention you seriously double posted. That I fear is a much more heinous crime.

We had something like that a while back and all Random Chat ever did was make the situation a bazillion times worse.

Quite honestly...I don't think the kids are the only problem with this forum.
I think that there are some that need to have a basic understanding of noun,verb, etc.
But kids will be kids. But I do think the constant bickering about the kids by others can be just as annoying and sidetracks the conversations just as much.
That was the reason for my idea of letting them have their playground and a separate area for the older folks. It was just an idea.

Okay that was a little random but still if the kids could learn proper english and to post some thing other then 'yeah' I bet we could all get along.

yeah

Of couse we just did what i was saying we needed to fix

Yes that part I understand. If I remember right you commented on the first Fanfic I posted on here thne you left and now you are back.

I'll be speaking for the kids here, sure they may sometimes say some dumb things, but they're just kids, let them grow and understand...or they can go play outside and play.
I also posted a thing about bands and movies and found out it was taken off the discussion board.

I happen to hate nathaniel I'd be glad if you perma banned him..... But you all have a point but it's unfair to delete absoloutly everything we say(write).

I'm with Alp on this one. I read through the entire thread and "The Illusion" said that the only reason we win wars are because we like guns and that all of the americans are fat pigs basically. I'm fine with some one having an opinion but saying that people from the country that i am from are fat pigs is overkill of the opinion. Truely i am fifteen and weigh only 117 pounds and i have no stomach on me. I am not obesed with guns and i even play the trumpet in my high school band and manage a garage band called neverending. But yes he did go overboard with the opinion.

Alp says:

Any wise man or woman knows that intelligence does not come with age, but with experience.

Refer to a part of one of my previous posts:

And it's not rocket science, folks, there is no formula one can follow in order to make one's self seem or be more intelligent and post better threads on here. You're either a moron or you're not, it's that simple. Sure, we've all been young and silly at one point, and it takes life experience and other things to help us grow, but please, I don't think Listal is the place for these stinkers to "grow"! Let's drop them off at a forum where their kind is welcome, they can feed off of one another, and then with some time, when they've got their wits about them, they can come back to Listal and contribute. :)

I never said I was "against" younger users based solely on their age. ;)

I think the "three strikes you're out" rule should apply to anyone regardless of age. I'm not looking to get rid of all the younger users, just the ones who abuse the forums.

is there anyway to have this "argument" come to a standing?

By banning Nathan every time he posts we should meet a decent compromise.