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dunno I'm not sure banning it wouldn't really affect me

Kill 'em all. Then wait until there's a more serious anime crowd who use the site for collections & discussion. If there's a special need with this crowd to restart RP threads, you could rebuild it from scratch, with anime mods making sure the rules are followed. I'm assuming of course, that "good RP" exists - I've no clue.

But, to copy/paste from previous RP discussion, I'm not an expert, so my opinions arent meant to carry much weight.

I've posted my reasons in another thread, but to summarise, there's no point in having a poorly maintained and low quality RP section on listal. They have proven time after time that they cannot maintain a single thread, let alone lots of different RP threads or their own RP section. The quality of RP is shocking, both grammatically and content-wise. They're TOO YOUNG TO BE ON THE INTERNET. Let alone RPing.

thanks prelude sounds like it'll be good and if you need anyone to monitor the anime section I'll report anything wrong OK?

true some of them are extremely abusive

Is Village an anime? I've never heard of it yet there's a thread about it with rp in anime section

Just get rid of it! I honestly think we've already spent too much time discussing something that isn't even integral to the site.

I'm new and I find it annoying too

There don't have to be any big ethic dilemma about this. If it's obvious that RP (and random chat for that matter) is harmful to the site, that it just dissolves into meaningless babble, that it's nothing to do with the purpose of the site or the contributing members, then that's enough. Just get rid of it, ban it, whatever.

The only slight issue I have with this, is that these kids provide most of the traffic on these boards. Any topic they put up, gets tons of replies in no time - they're having fun here. Whereas the general boards are prettymuch Dead City, mostly oldtimers complaining about anime. If it was just guys like me here, Listal would be one boring place. But I'm positive that once the boards are cleaned up, more interesting users start joining and there'll eventually be good conversations here. I'm sure that loads of people have checked out the forums and lost interest after seeing how wide open this site is for abuse.

Clean up the forums, and start fixing the Amazon/duplicates mess then Listal will start attracting more contributing members.

who are the mods in total?

....I'm willing to help I have spare time but that's up to tom

An age limit should be made for the forums, not the website. Younger members'll be protected by the recently-fixed member searches. It's pretty clear that a great number of members need to be banned. Delete the threads containing crap, too. I have absolutely nothing against roleplaying, but you must admit these Naruts have a special way of going about it. Banning roleplay altogether doesn't give off as accurate an effect as simply deleting crap threads on the spot, though. It's pretty easy to tell what's bull without having a roleplay restriction.

Phil is right, an age verification would be a good route to take. The US privacy laws may not apply to a British website though, i cant say i know for sure i just presume. But law or none, it is still sensible to follow the guidelines such laws entail as they aren't pointless ones.

I personally would try and find ways to remove all needless content from the site, if banning it outright is the only way then that would be the only route. That way the remaining people would have no option but to use the site for what it is meant for, or leave. Im not exactly FOR banning people, but more often than not the people will decide for themselves if they need banning by what they do next.

The main things that would solve issues quickly would be:

A minimum word allowance to posts/reviews.
An age verification to ensure legality.
Making it so people on 0 rank cant post AT ALL.

I think you could combat any spam resulting from the latter by saying that to contribute you need to write a profile, list your interests etc, and THEN you are allowed to rate and contribute and THEN you are allowed to post. That way when people join, they have to tell us about themselves, form an image with their ratings and opinions, and then chat to us.

Also i think we need to:

Put something on groups to prevent "flooding" eg a 1 minute gap between responses, it takes at least 30 seconds to write a proper response and 20 to read one.

Prevent more than 1 sign on per person.

Create a code of conduct so people know what is frowned upon, eg copying reviews from wikipedia and such what! We could set it so everyone has to click it when they log in after reading it etc, and then everyone who breaks it gets a warning then banned, and everyone who doesn't sign it gets booted too.

An "ignore user" button could be handy? Id ignore nao in a heartbeat! Failing that a rating system could be handy for people?? Its likely to be abused though no doubt, unless everyone was allowed 1 opinion of each person, then you could have an overall "star rating" ???

People who abuse the ability to post pictures should have it removed. Things like this would become easier by banning multiple accounts.

I know im going on a bit here, but in my humble opinion most of the above would make a huge difference to the site and at least half is doable without changing any of the ways the site works. Im sorry to do such a long post but i do feel strongly that things can be salvaged without banning many people, and that more people would want to join with some regulations in place.

Phil is right, an age verification would be a good route to take. The US privacy laws may not apply to a British website though, i cant say i know for sure i just presume. But law or none, it is still sensible to follow the guidelines such laws entail as they aren't pointless ones.

Kids'll lie about their age anyway. If we protect them via the search function while keeping a forum posting age limit, that should be enough. Is it really a US law that kids can't join a website like Listal?

I personally would try and find ways to remove all needless content from the site, if banning it outright is the only way then that would be the only route. That way the remaining people would have no option but to use the site for what it is meant for, or leave. Im not exactly FOR banning people, but more often than not the people will decide for themselves if they need banning by what they do next.

As a big website people HAVE to be banned. Better to ban people that cause problems than things that inadvertently lead to problems.

The main things that would solve issues quickly would be:

A minimum word allowance to posts/reviews.
An age verification to ensure legality.
Making it so people on 0 rank cant post AT ALL.

Prelude said Tom's going to implement something that fixes the review problem without a minimum word count. Posts don't need anything dramatic - at the Atari forums the required number of characters was four.

If people are new to the site and have a rank of 0, they might want to still come to the forums and get recommendations. Or post a bug in Listal Development. An age verification to ensure legality? To join an online website...? We don't need to go that far just yet.

I think you could combat any spam resulting from the latter by saying that to contribute you need to write a profile, list your interests etc, and THEN you are allowed to rate and contribute and THEN you are allowed to post. That way when people join, they have to tell us about themselves, form an image with their ratings and opinions, and then chat to us.

Maybe just a tad over the top, but a nice thought. :P

Also i think we need to:

Put something on groups to prevent "flooding" eg a 1 minute gap between responses, it takes at least 30 seconds to write a proper response and 20 to read one.

Yes! The Listal forums seem to have been made from scratch, so there isn't any sort of time gap between posts. Every member should wait 30 seconds between their own posts. That'd work.

Prevent more than 1 sign on per person.

These Naruts would be nothing without their doppleganger jutsu..

Create a code of conduct so people know what is frowned upon, eg copying reviews from wikipedia and such what! We could set it so everyone has to click it when they log in after reading it etc, and then everyone who breaks it gets a warning then banned, and everyone who doesn't sign it gets booted too.

What if they import a review from somewhere else like this?

An "ignore user" button could be handy? Id ignore nao in a heartbeat! Failing that a rating system could be handy for people?? Its likely to be abused though no doubt, unless everyone was allowed 1 opinion of each person, then you could have an overall "star rating" ???

'Ignore user' or 'Block user' have to be available. Especially with the Phillies running around. Moderators should be impervious to the effects of it, though.

People who abuse the ability to post pictures should have it removed. Things like this would become easier by banning multiple accounts.

Or IPs.

I know im going on a bit here, but in my humble opinion most of the above would make a huge difference to the site and at least half is doable without changing any of the ways the site works. Im sorry to do such a long post but i do feel strongly that things can be salvaged without banning many people, and that more people would want to join with some regulations in place.

I'm leaning more on the end of A) ban the guys we don't like but B) keep the rules loose enough to fit the purpose of the site.

The sad thing is i hadn't run out of things to say i just didnt want to write far too big a post!! I keep trying to figure out a way that the ratio idea used on certain download websites could be used to tell people they need to contribute.

The biggest problem with telling people they NEED to contribute to the site or leave is you get reviews such as "This was the worst game i ever played"
"I love Blade 3 but not as much as Blade 2, 1 is better"
And of course my personal favorite, copying the writing off of a DVD box/magazine or pasting it from a movie site! The amount of reviews iv read with the word "us" and "we" instead of "i" drives me mad! Only a large corporation paid to review things writes reviews like that not a 12 year old kid.

We're going to have to drown out the Naruts with contributing members.

Im sorry Thillian, i dont know wether your wrong, or if its just that i can never bring myself to agree with you. But i disagree with most of what you said.

It doesn't matter if the children lie about their age, how do you think they GOT the porn in the first place?! Its just in place to protect Tom from legalities. All websites work on the basis of "meh i asked em to verify their age" Its a failsafe.

Im trying to find a solution that doesn't result in a mass culling, purely as i think banning all who do wrong should be a last resort.

There HAS to be a real minimum word count, 4 words is a joke! I would demand it be at least 50 otherwise you cant possibly have an opinion on the thing you are reviewing! We are looking for decent accounts of peoples thoughts, not some drooling fool saying "Duuh i fort dis waz guud"

If people want to join the site, all they have to do to avoid being ranked as 0 is write their profiles Thillian. Then rate only a few things. Thats the exact way it works right now! So why not make sure that people are doing this? Who would sign up and just go straight to Groups to type? A child spammer thats who!

I explained why a minute was the better option for a flood filter, it takes 20 seconds to read a post and 30 seconds to write a reply, im thinking quality over quantity here!

If people want to start a review/comment with "i just had to paste this one in as i thought it was great" then thats quite understandable, but still a bit pointless, if i wanted to read it i could go on the website it was taken from! But you could always link it in your own comments. You know the real problem i am talking about! Emo Ichigo posted about 7 of them yesterday.

Iv no clue what you mean by they have to be options for non-moderator members, thats what i was saying! Give everyone the option to ignore those of their choosing, heck you'd be right in queue behind Nao for my list.

Banning IP's would mean that person can never post again, banning multiple users (ie preventing signing up more than once from happening) would mean 1 person per account. IP bans would be for people who were banned from the site entirely which is not what i was talking about.

The purpose of the site is quite clear and linear and its just the foolish and the ignorant who can't follow that set use. It shouldn't be a "ban the guys we dont like" thing because its all down to opinion. Im saying if we limit their chances to offend they'll go, or ban themselves by starting more anarchy threads! (Ie get banned for doing it)

Im trying to find a solution that doesn't result in a mass culling, purely as i think banning all who do wrong should be a last resort.

It's better to get rid of the offenders than put everyone at inconvenience because of them.

There HAS to be a real minimum word count, 4 words is a joke! I would demand it be at least 50 otherwise you cant possibly have an opinion on the thing you are reviewing! We are looking for decent accounts of peoples thoughts, not some drooling fool saying "Duuh i fort dis waz guud"

I meant four characters for posting. It works on other forums.

If people want to join the site, all they have to do to avoid being ranked as 0 is write their profiles Thillian. Then rate only a few things. Thats the exact way it works right now! So why not make sure that people are doing this? Who would sign up and just go straight to Groups to type? A child spammer thats who!

What if someone's overwhelmed by the functions of the site and wants to ask for help in the forums? It might happen.

I explained why a minute was the better option for a flood filter, it takes 20 seconds to read a post and 30 seconds to write a reply, im thinking quality over quantity here!

This is only a problem with the Random Chat (and, admittedly, Anime) forums right now. A 30 second filter will prevent a ton of spam. I'm thinking accuracy over overkill.

Iv no clue what you mean by they have to be options for non-moderator members, thats what i was saying! Give everyone the option to ignore those of their choosing, heck you'd be right in queue behind Nao for my list.

I was agreeing with you.

Banning IP's would mean that person can never post again, banning multiple users (ie preventing signing up more than once from happening) would mean 1 person per account. IP bans would be for people who were banned from the site entirely which is not what i was talking about.

You mean stripping members of particular abilities? That'd be a good moderator function.

The purpose of the site is quite clear and linear and its just the foolish and the ignorant who can't follow that set use. It shouldn't be a "ban the guys we dont like" thing because its all down to opinion. Im saying if we limit their chances to offend they'll go, or ban themselves by starting more anarchy threads! (Ie get banned for doing it)

If we do this, we'll also turn off innocent web browsers that are in no way responsible for the roleplay threads in Random Chat. We don't all need to sacrifice our blood just to get rid of goblins in the town.

Four characters for posting is

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ROFL
PMSL

Is that really what you want? I would say in conversation perhaps 20 words would be enough.

The line before this one is only 17 words long and wouldnt be enough for a post would it?!

If someone joins the site and gets "overwhelmed" by the functions i can safely say i dont think i want to read their reviews. Its not hard! We could create an FAQ page though to humor them few examples.

Im not trying to turn off innocent web browsers, im saying if we remove all the means of which people can abuse the site (close any stupid threads, ban RP etc) then they wont be able to do it anymore and will move on or try to revolt which will get the ring leaders banned.

Im getting a bit tired of having to explain basic ideas to you now, each time you understand what i wrote in the first place you agree, so lets just skip the rest of this hassle as im not sure how much more i can explain!!

Hey hey hey! No need to turn this place into fort knox only because of current troubles. If we get rid of RP and maybe random chatting, that alone should take care of big part of the problem. Like Prelude pointed out, people who use the site for those only would get bored and leave. Maybe they'd stick around for a while to spam the site, but that's it. Then add parental approval for kids under certain age. Those alone would quickly "mature up" the site to the degree there'd be no need for most of those rb6k's extra rules. The problem generally isn't the lack of ironclad rules (although some guidelines would be nice) but good examples, in forums, reviews etc. Like Thilian said, we need more contributing members, who'll start showing up once we've gotten rid of troublemakers.

The purpose of the site is quite clear and linear and its just the foolish and the ignorant who can't follow that set use.

But is it clear? If you got a random chat section where people can post all kindsa crazy stuff without moderation, and all those rape threads etc. weren't moderated until recently it can look a bit like that's an allowed purpose of the site. Why else would you have it here? I mean, that looks like the busiest section on the site!

The problem here isn't with roleplay threads, but with dumb threads in general. A moderator's ability to judge whether a thread can stay or go will suffice to keep this stuff from being a problem. That is, we'll have more soon so Prelude can stop hogging the limelight. Listal functions, likewise, will improve as updates continue.

You're right, the problem here isn't just roleplay, but that is a large part of it. You can't just ignore it. I think that it's been established that it should be banned.

Roleplaying threads is what keeps people that don't want to contribute on this site. If they get fed up of trying to fight us elsewhere, they retreat to their threads. We get rid of RP, and we get rid of alot of people that treat this site like myspace.

RP is not the only problem, but it is a big majority of it.

You really can't ignore it. We'll have to delete the 'rape' threads and ban the members that have the most involvement with them. I find it hard to believe so many people have been advocating for the 'Iron Fist' and yet banning members is just inhumane.

We need to flush anime and Random chat altogether, stick the rules in either thread then moderate with an iron fist until they all piss off. Simple!

We need to flush anime and Random chat altogether, stick the rules in either thread then moderate with an iron fist until they all piss off. Simple!

You're getting at the flush first, rinse second. It's a step up from just rinsing.

Banning members that break the rules is inhumane?

I'm not suggesting banning members now. I'm suggesting making rules NOW, then if they continue to break the rules, they get a warning, then banned.

Even as it is, banning members for breaking laws of humanity (ie, common indecency) doesn't make us look like the Communist Manifesto.

Thilian, why dont you just stop responding huh? Questioning every single bit of what people say, just come up with your own opinion and stop picking at other peoples!! It is quite infuriating to read.

Right. Let's just make sure we don't go too over the top when we decide on what rules to set forth.

Thilian, why dont you just stop responding huh? Questioning every single bit of what people say, just come up with your own opinion and stop picking at other peoples!! It is quite infuriating to read.

I like the color blue.

Wow dude yama is right