Question about nudity

Nudity is off-limits, as far as I can understand, on Listal. This bugs me tremendously, since there are many dvd releases with excellent cover art, still containing areas some define "nudity". So, instead, should we add an empty shell with the tag on: "Censored by Listal"? The little perfectionist inside of me cannot cope with the fact that indeed some dvd covers will be left empty (or missing) forever... And yes, I think that the concept of nudity should be explained, when the penalty of adding it is so severe as to banish one from the community, which wouldn't be so nice after many months of hard labour adding all those missing dvd releases to the site...

We are all nude under these clothes!

Listal rules state no nudity, but you can post images of people in the nude, just make sure you crop it until its just a head shot before you upload it! ;-) Side views are also ok, as long as nothing is shown, i.e. no T&A (sounds like "Bits & Farce").

On the topic, I had a baby photo pulled from Facebook because you could see his cute chubby bum! Honestly only a pedo could find that image rude.

That image is not allowed, Grand Assault pretty much has it right when it comes to the rules. A lot of the time pictures are borderline and it is 50/50 if they should be deleted or not. One of my main concerns is a new user coming to the homepage and seeing a load of topless photos.

It seems to be okay to show as much skin as we can as long as neither one of those dreaded nipples aren't showing. I don't get that. And why is it okay to show a cleavage crack but not okay to show a butt crack? It's still a crack no matter how you look at it. And the cleavage crack is closer to revealing the nipples which we aren't supposed to show in the first place!

@Shuan Why no Butt Crack?! Its call Builder's Bum here in the UK and its banned because it makes me feel sick, men should not have cleavage !-)

The point is not to post nude photos (I might say there are a few other options for that on the net!), but to add EXISTING DVD COVERS to your collection. I am happy if it is ok to post covers with nudity with the critical bits duly censored. I wasn't going to post a huge collection of porn dvds. I think there are other options for those available if necessary, but just to add for instance European horror/sleaze/exploitation/trash movie titles which almost 100% have something fishy going on in the cover, if you don't live in the UK or Vatican.

Allowing dvd covers with nudity is a possibility but I would need to make sure these are only shown to logged in users who have opted in to this.

Posting censored covers is totally fine. What do imdb or amazon do for covers of these movies?

It very important in some rare cases, here's a link to prove it - BEWARE Full Frontal Nudity follows... www.listal.com/viewimage/949509

Good question Elusyn, I also have doubts.
I read website rules and do not understand why so much hassle about it, when next to each picture is a button that says - Report!!!
Who feel insulted by image... PUSH THE BUTTON!!!
For me some nudity is art if you ask me.
And question is this picture art picture or "porn" nudity?

www.flickr.com/ (on of the biggest photo hosting sites, run by yahoo) have obviously thoguht about these sorts of questions. They categorise images as "safe", "moderate" and "restricted". Their description of their system is here. If you're not logged in, or haven't changed your default setting you'll only see "safe" content. If you click on a link that takes you to any "moderate" and "restricted" content then you get a warning (though it doesn't tell you which it's flagged as). It's a good system and allows people to avoid anything they don't want to see for whatever reason - I often use my work laptop to browse Flickr (and Listal) and I don't really want anything that looks dodgy showing up if someone else uses my laptop.

I'd say the picture in ogioooo's post would be flagged as "moderate", if I saw it on Flickr I might flag it as such.

And question is this picture art picture or "porn" nudity?

That kind of picture is not allowed on Listal, it's irrelevant if it's considered art or porn.


I agree the system on flickr is good but until a similar system is implemented (if it ever is) I have to delete anything that would be classified as moderate or restricted.

Nonfictionguy: A lot of time, on TV especially if a woman's butt crack is showing there will be a tiny little blurred cloud over it, and yet it's perfectly acceptable to not only show her cleavage but both of her entire breats as long as the nipples are covered. That's what I don't understand.

@Shaun Shame! we European's can handle nudity, so we just have a 9pm watershed instead and no blurred images... then they go invent Tivo/PVR/DVR and mess it all up ;-)

In all seriousness, I don't think Listal needs nude images (male or female), some images do deserve to be posted, e.g. Demi Moore with Baby Bump, as it was culturally important. But as that was a front cover image, it was itself tasteful/modest to America/European standards. We just need to ensure everyone that uses listal applies the same editoral control - and visits these forums more often. Those that don't need to be reported and images removed.

With regards album/cd/blueray covers, there are always 'appropriate' versions online, even for extreme hardcore titles (I checked), just choose wisely.

I agree the system on flickr is good but until a similar system is implemented (if it ever is) I have to delete anything that would be classified as moderate or restricted.

Yes - it's probably not as easy as it sounds to implement! And I'm not sure it'd add that much value to Listal.

Anyway glad to know what the official line is :)

Maybe a good solution would be to include the age ratings of the added DVDs, and thus providing bordering explicit content only to those blessed with enough age?

In all seriousness, you cannot categorise movie content with the same logic as you can categorise pics on Flickr. What is 'safe' then? Is it Arnold pointing a gun at you?

The discussion was about nudity in pictures, not the content of the films (or books music, games for that matter). Preventing people from seeing the Listal page for The Terminator just because they're not old enough to watch the film would be an odd choice.

Age ratings vary by country so that would be a total nightmare to code (and doesn't solve the original problem of nude photos of actresses).

Yes, in fact it would be an impossible task!

If you are a collector, I doubt you have an 'adult' section separately. You just need your stuff listed! Amazon for example does not have that strict rules, they are simply selling stuff.

And what about records? For instance this:
www.listal.com/music/jimi-hendrix-electric-ladyland

I think the question of nude models etc. is, although the original issue of this thread, an entirely different matter. I don't think eiher that Listal is the best venue for those.