War

I wanted to see what other people think about war. Whats your point of view about it?

I think war is unnecessary and uncalled for. There's no need that we have people in Iraq right now who could die this very instant. I know some people in war right now are more worried about their lives and their family than the reason that person is there. All I hope is that we can end this damn stupid war with Iraq. I care everyday in the morning you never know what could happen your school could blow up or your job have a plane driven into it or a state blown to pieces. Everyday I get more and more scared on what's going to happen.

really, there is never a reason for war...
War should never be on the table...
Personally, I thank god that now I have the choice in sending my sons to the wars and simply not being forced into it...
And yes, some people can argue that actions sometimes speak louder then words, but is action really worth the toll that war brings?

I feel people jump to war way too often for the world's own good, War may be required for extreme issues, but I don't see Iraq as a main issue(at least not then, now they are spawning terrorists pretty much because we went in)

I don't see way we can sign a freaking Peace Treaty though, instead of hundreds of soliders dying everyday. My Uncle Jamie is out there dammit ! We MUST bring them home, every last one. No man gets left behind in "No Man's Land".

It true war is not nessesary i speak as a united states army i've been their and still i have bearly came 3 weeks ago and i cant sleep for shit i still think im still in iraq

My cousin came back from war and he is wicked different. Out of no where he would get angry and pissed. Sometimes he would talk about how he doesn't even remember his own family. He also easily gets side tracked by a siren or loud noise or people screaming.

Simple. Eliminate Religion and you eliminate War. I think it pretty much was root cause of every single major conflict thru all of humanity.

No you're right, war is never the option, we should have just gone Super Nanny on Hitler's arse.

:Hitler, what have you got there?
:Nothing.
:Hitler....is it Poland? It's Poland isn't it?
:..I waaaaant it!!!
: Now Hitler, we can't just take things that aren't ours can we? We have to respect other people's property..Now give it back.
: NO!! It's mine.
: Hitler, give it back, it's not yours. How do you think Poland feels about that? Maybe I should take Germany..how would that make you feel, if I just decided to take your Germany like you've taken Poland?
: ...sad.
: Yes sad, exactly. Its not a nice feeling is it, that's how you've made Poland feel...Now just be a good dictator and give it back, maybe if you're nice to Poland he'll let you play with him, he might even let you play with his eastern blocks if you're really nice.


I mean if that didn't work we could have taken out the naughty stool.

Lolz, I like your use of sarcasm Gem, and that is why I said it was required for extreme issues, war is required on occassion, but not at the amount we use it nowadays...

Oh and that last part(if you're nice to him he'll let you play with him), you might wanna rephrase that :P

Lmao, nice one GemLil. If it was like that back then it would have ended a lot quicker.

:(

Wait, Civil War was based off of Government, Racism, and that stuff, I didn't know Religion fell into that too... then again I slept through Civil War in History...

religioun was involved with the north, they thought that it wasn't right for slaves to have to work and junk, religious crap.

Oh, I thought they thought it was just morally incorrect, and that the constiution said that all men were created equal...

yes, it did say that, but they got that idea from the bible, who said it first.

Human Instincts and Animal Instincts, you say it as if there is some difference between the two, there really isn't :P

you've got a point ventruss. in reality, a person is smart. but people are dumb, panicky, and violent. but yeah, you have a good point. o well, it still roots back to religion.

No not really, Human instincts is just a different intrepretation, we are told to survive and live, we intrepret that as creating things to help us and buying food,

Animals intrepret it as killing other animals to live or finding plants to eat, and protecting themselves with their bodies

there really isn't a difference, it's just animals intrepret it differently,

also, you DO know that humans ARE animals, right?

yes, i know that humans are animals. but, survival, if confronted with an ememy, dose in fact mean to fight. so yes, it is human instinct to fight in wars.

yeah, but 9/11 was about religioun and power. that's what started this war (not to get personal or anything, sorry to those that think i do.) and, yes, we are basically fighting over teriotory. all in all, if you want my personal opinion, a person is smart, but people are dumb, panicky, and dangerous. its the truth, and every one knows it.

truth is, other then 'superior intelligence', we lack traits that other animals have, and bugs even, think about it, a monkey is limber and flexible and has great dexterity, while an Ape is large and strong, a cockroach can survive a nuclear explosion and go 3 weeks without a head, a spider has venoms that can kill anything it's size, a fish can breathe underwater, swim, and is slippery, dolphins have sonar and stuff, sharks have an extreme sense of smell, bats have ecolocation,

We aren't really so special, we are just anotherspecies, the only difference is we develop technology to do everything for us

Also, apparently, is seems as what Fox is saying is that, while animals can control their territorial instincts and they go after life important resources, such as food and water, we CAN'T control our territorial instincts and go after omni destructive resources
And I couldn't say it better myself :P

Panic is when instinct takes over the mind William, it's an extreme level of fear that messes with one's logical side, it impairs judgement and causes them to revert into a primal, wild form, (well, wild as far as other animals go, not the human kind of wild)

Ventruss, the economy is tanking, America has a HUGE debt, banks are going down, we're bailing them out, foreclosures are lowering prices of other homes, gas is ever rising, taxes are going to be extreme,

oh, and social security might not be around when we get old enough for it...
I'm not sure if our generation will have a very bright future, maybe another generation, but not ours

technology has nothing to do with wars. there was conflict between human tribes at the start of civilization. and there is one huge different between humans and animals that make us unique, and its NOT the intelligence that is the key. It's the fact we are self-aware. We stare at a mirror, we recognize its a reflection of us. I believe every other animal on earth, except for chimpanzees, when they see a reflection in a mirror they are unaware they are looking at themselves. And with being self-aware comes other traits like greed, jealousy, envy, and other such 'sins' that ultimately lead to us trying to kill others off for personal benefit or gain.

Beowulf, a snowball fight, and Star Wars? dude, lay off the shrooms, kk?

simpler, yes. but retarded? I mean, take your Star Wars analogy. Wrong wrong wrong. It is NOT fear that lead the US to go into Afghanistan and later Iraq. it was greed, it was world control of strategic interests, it was to bolster the military war machine.

Fear is only used to control the minds of the population. The governments and the powers in charge never start a war out of fear. Hitler used the fear of communism and jews to start up WWII, and the US is now using the fear of terrorism to achieve its goals to solidify its status as world's sole superpower. Obviously there wasnt much fear if Bush managed to finish reading 'My Pet Goat' even after he found out about 9-11 attacks.

If you want to see things from a different viewpoint than is offered on FoxNews and CNN, please watch this 3 part documentary from the BBC. Its available in its entirety here on Listal:

www.listal.com/video/2926198 Part 1: Baby It's Cold Outside

www.listal.com/video/2926269 Part 2: The Phantom Victory

www.listal.com/video/2926275 Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave

yeah, thats true wolf paw, we don't have certain trits as animals do, but at the same time, we do and don't. for example; we're mamals, our young are born alive, and we eat just about any thing that we can. but we are smarter, more flexible at times, and when shot up an steroids, stronger. :)

i agree with fox, we are nothing but another species of really smart monkeys. hey, but don't get lonely, chimpnzees are on their way.

techonology has a lot to do with wars if you think about it, guns, bombs, tanks, airplanes, were al invented for war (accept airplanes, that was made for flight it self.)

Ahh, but Prelude, tribes created weapons to injure the others, while that is primal technology, it is still technology, just not in the sense that is used nowadays,

Also, apparently, they did a test on collies(I think) and found that they could differentiate between their species and other pictures
Apparently, Elephants can also do this,

Also, that is Superior Intelligence Prelude, we can recognize the thing we see as ourselves

Will, you're right in a way, but a few of those don't really make us better(The born alive and eat anything we can), I already mentioned Superior intelligence, flexibility, no not really, the average human being is not all that flexible, granted, we have opposable thumbs, but that's not much against other animals, lol, Steroids are a medicine we gained, which is a use of intelligence, and seriously dude, a dude on steroids versus an angered Rhino? or a Bear? or a pack of Wolves? Yeah, only in Tarzan

I wish war was like Metal Gear solid that would be so cool. Nanomachines would be awesome to have.

Lol, that is the most unusually random post I've heard from Derron, lol,
Hah, that would be interesting though, or like Mobile Suit Gundam series as well,
god we'd destroy ourselves in an instant with that kind of technology

That was my first random post and in my own thread. (well it was about war just a non-fictional war)

I think that would be awesome I would die as soon as I got in the gundam.

Lol, what does this button do, next thing you know you're flying on a cloud with a harp in your hands wondering if you're higher then a kite or just dead lol

Here's a thought,
Since the Bible says thou shalt not kill,

does that mean soldiers are damned to hell for killing? Sorry to say, but I don't think the Bible makes exceptions(I could be wrong though), that's probably a sign that war isn't the best idea, to religious people

religious people are totally mixed up about their religiouns. for example (NO ARGUMENTS!!!) the bible says that god is an entidy that says that if your good, you go to a paradice, but if your bad, you get sent to the firy pits of hell, forever burning never able to die!!!!!

but he loves you.

seems pretty mixed upi to me

@ Devious (aka Wolf-Paw.. quit changin' yer damn name, bro!): Yes, it says Thou Shalt Not Kill, but they're also many examples of wars being ordered to be fought by God, and to kill anyone suspected of witchcraft, and to kill anyone suspect of being a homosexual or fornicator. But that's the Old Testament. With Jesus and the New Testament, ideally all the laws (often contradicting laws) are meant to be buried in past, and follow Jesus' teachings. And as such, Jesus was 'if someone hit your cheek, offer him the other one' - a total pacifist.

Mind you that never stopped the religious order from wanging Crusade after Crusade in the name of Jesus.

Yes, the world is messed up.

@ William: My bible certainly doesnt call God an entidy and that I get to go to paradice, or maybe the firy pits of hell. You're an idiot.

you are just a dude (i won't say what i want to say because you'll ban me!) tht likes to preove others wrong on simple mistakes and knows what im talking about becasue he has enough to go bey to re-spell it! but your right though, your bible dosn't call god and entidy, it calls it a he. he, him, and lord. not she, her, or lordess. wars were never ordered by god, they are a cretion of man because they think that god is talking to them, when they probable lied, and just want to kill who ever it is that tries to opose them! and i beileve your bible dose in fact mention a hell, perlude, that is dosed in fire. its where satan lives suposedly and he suposedly tourtures people there. we all hav known this sence we were kids.