LoginI think we should just get rid of points.
CD Smiles
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 4:50 - Too many people on this site rate things that they don't know anything about because they get points for it. Every pro wrestler on this site has a terrible rating because that BAMF guy gives them all 1/10. And then there's an abundance of people who rate movies before they're even finished production.
Points are useless and are encouraging dummies to ruin ratings.
Points are useless and are encouraging dummies to ruin ratings.
Ueno_Station54
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 4:52 - Yes.
DuckNation
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 9:00 - This has been brought up on several different threads spanning years i myself even making one but as it looks now it seems nothing is going to be done about the point system and honestly i don't want it to be taken away but im not one that spams for points. I have no problem with people rating somebody a 1 maybe they just don't like those people but the rating of movies before they are out REALLY grinds my gears that's my only problem with it.
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The O.P.
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 10:43 - @CDSmiles
Listal allows to check how the users you follow rated an item. So you might want to ignore the "general" rating by all users, and only take into account the average rating by trusted users.
Listal allows to check how the users you follow rated an item. So you might want to ignore the "general" rating by all users, and only take into account the average rating by trusted users.
Iceviper
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 10:58 - How do you know BAMF hasn't seen all of the pro wrestlers he has rated? Why do we need to be in others business?? Just because things don't go the way you like them isn't an excuse to take stuff away from others who are enjoying it.
If I want to rate a movie from what I've seen and heard, before its released, it's my choice. If I change my mind after seeing it I'll change the rating, if not so be it. It's my rating and my opinion. I wasn't there at the meeting where we were told that I need to follow popular opinion.
If I want to rate a movie from what I've seen and heard, before its released, it's my choice. If I change my mind after seeing it I'll change the rating, if not so be it. It's my rating and my opinion. I wasn't there at the meeting where we were told that I need to follow popular opinion.
Moderator The O.P.
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 11:36 - As a side note, seems to me that Rating History is broken!
Onion Jack
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 11:49 - Tweaking would be the better option.
No point saying more than that, been there... done that.
No point saying more than that, been there... done that.
DuckNation
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 12:11 - I second what Onion Jack said
CD Smiles
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 17:36 - I'm not sure how exactly it could be tweaked, I'm no expert on this site. But I really just don't see a single benefit to having the points system.
Onion Jack
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 17:36 - It encourages people to add content.
Moderator The O.P.
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 18:11 - @CdSmiles
Anyway, how do you know that BAMF rated pro wrestlers just for the points?
Let's think about it.
Each rating gives 3 points.
So, to get 300 points you need to rate 100 (one hundred) pro wrestlers!
The same 300 points he could get by just adding 8 (eight) images to a new list.
Anyway, how do you know that BAMF rated pro wrestlers just for the points?
Let's think about it.
Each rating gives 3 points.
So, to get 300 points you need to rate 100 (one hundred) pro wrestlers!
The same 300 points he could get by just adding 8 (eight) images to a new list.
mrhoundoom
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 19:57 - in my opinion points are not really important, but i do have to admit that they may have their benefits so taking the radical side of just taking them away is probably not a good idea, in my opinion all you have to do for the problem to disappear is to just continue with your life and stop caring about what others do or do not do because their reason for doing what they do is theirs and theirs alone (and i dont say this in a offensive way).
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10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 9 21:23 - Totally agree with CD Smiles, eradicate the points system. For too long people have been making this site about the points and it has been extremely detrimental to the site has a whole.
But then we've had a conversation a couple of times before. And. Very. Little. Ever. Changes...
So Ho-hum...
But yeah, that guy give pro-wrestlers 1 star is beyond insulting. Clearly he thinks wrestling sucks, which is fair enough not everybody likes it but seriously why go out of your way to vote down everything related to WWE? (he does the same with DVD's). If he hated it so much how would he know anything about? (let alone buy a billion WWE DVD's) Surely he'd would ignore it, unless he's a sadist who enjoys watching things he hates lol.
So basically he's doing it for points isn't he?
But then we've had a conversation a couple of times before. And. Very. Little. Ever. Changes...
So Ho-hum...
But yeah, that guy give pro-wrestlers 1 star is beyond insulting. Clearly he thinks wrestling sucks, which is fair enough not everybody likes it but seriously why go out of your way to vote down everything related to WWE? (he does the same with DVD's). If he hated it so much how would he know anything about? (let alone buy a billion WWE DVD's) Surely he'd would ignore it, unless he's a sadist who enjoys watching things he hates lol.
So basically he's doing it for points isn't he?
Moderator The O.P.
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 10 0:41 - "Clearly he thinks wrestling sucks, which is fair enough not everybody likes it but seriously why go out of your way to vote down everything related to WWE?"
Not everything. Not Keith Jardine and Andrei Arlovski, for instance. Also, not some movies about wrestling. He gave high marks to those.
Apropos. "The Wrestler", the film, has a Listal rating of 7.6, an average of 1,346 ratings. On IMDb.com it's nearly the same, 7.9. Looks like results are similar with or without point system, especially when there is a good number of voters.
Not everything. Not Keith Jardine and Andrei Arlovski, for instance. Also, not some movies about wrestling. He gave high marks to those.
Apropos. "The Wrestler", the film, has a Listal rating of 7.6, an average of 1,346 ratings. On IMDb.com it's nearly the same, 7.9. Looks like results are similar with or without point system, especially when there is a good number of voters.
Iceviper
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 10 11:04 - "all you have to do for the problem to disappear is to just continue with your life and stop caring about what others do or do not do because their reason for doing what they do is theirs and theirs alone".
A radical thought mrhoundoom, a very radical thought..........
A radical thought mrhoundoom, a very radical thought..........
mrhoundoom
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 10 11:51 - well its not that radical when applied in this situation, wich was my intention, but of course that does not apply to every situation on the world, for example of a suicide bomber that quote should not apply anymore because the reasons why he does that are selfish and put others lives in danger
but in here i think that is the best way to deal with this specific problem, mostly because i dont think one guy giving bad scores to wrestlers is gonna change the world that much, and also we shouldn´t really (and excuse the language) give a fuck, because like i said he could have his reasons, and even if he doesn´t we shouldn´t care that much about it because he is he and you are you and his opinions shouldnt really interfere with yours.
and please dont quote me before confirming what i really mean with that said quote.
but in here i think that is the best way to deal with this specific problem, mostly because i dont think one guy giving bad scores to wrestlers is gonna change the world that much, and also we shouldn´t really (and excuse the language) give a fuck, because like i said he could have his reasons, and even if he doesn´t we shouldn´t care that much about it because he is he and you are you and his opinions shouldnt really interfere with yours.
and please dont quote me before confirming what i really mean with that said quote.
Moderator The O.P.
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 10 13:26 - @mrhoundoom
Anyone's opinions do interfere with yours, and with mine.
But that's interesting, isn't it? :)
But then, someone invented statistics. Nice! So we compute average ratings and a single user can not interfere that much, as long as a sufficient number of voters give ratings.
Anyone's opinions do interfere with yours, and with mine.
But that's interesting, isn't it? :)
But then, someone invented statistics. Nice! So we compute average ratings and a single user can not interfere that much, as long as a sufficient number of voters give ratings.
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10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 10 13:36 - @The O.P
"Not everything. Not Keith Jardine and Andrei Arlovski, for instance."
Um no, those are not professional wrestlers, they are mixed martial artists (Two COMPLETELY different things). Clearly he's a UFC guy who despises professional wrestling. If you knew anything about either you'd probably understand. UFC is a real sport, pro-wrestling is entertainment. Personally I like both, but some people have a real big chip on there shoulders about the entertainment aspect
of Pro-wrestling. Bottom line- He's going out of his way to get points, whether you're for the points system or not I think we all know it to be the case.
But I don't wanna get get into a huge thing about it, I know things probably won't change, Iv'e been coming back and forth to this site for at least six years now and we have these discussions every now again and nothing ever changes. Tom wants the site to be a certain way and that's fair enough.That's why I choose to use the site so sparingly nowadays.
I just wanted to say that I back what CD Smiles is suggesting is all. This forum being a place in which people can express differing opinions. A Democracy if you will.
"Not everything. Not Keith Jardine and Andrei Arlovski, for instance."
Um no, those are not professional wrestlers, they are mixed martial artists (Two COMPLETELY different things). Clearly he's a UFC guy who despises professional wrestling. If you knew anything about either you'd probably understand. UFC is a real sport, pro-wrestling is entertainment. Personally I like both, but some people have a real big chip on there shoulders about the entertainment aspect
of Pro-wrestling. Bottom line- He's going out of his way to get points, whether you're for the points system or not I think we all know it to be the case.
But I don't wanna get get into a huge thing about it, I know things probably won't change, Iv'e been coming back and forth to this site for at least six years now and we have these discussions every now again and nothing ever changes. Tom wants the site to be a certain way and that's fair enough.That's why I choose to use the site so sparingly nowadays.
I just wanted to say that I back what CD Smiles is suggesting is all. This forum being a place in which people can express differing opinions. A Democracy if you will.
mrhoundoom
10 years, 4 months ago at Feb 10 19:11 - @The O.P.
absolutely right ;)
absolutely right ;)
Michael M
10 years, 3 months ago at Feb 20 16:22 -
Moderator The O.P.
10 years, 3 months ago at Feb 20 23:52 - If someone is rating hundreds or thousands of people 1/10 for points, please do report them, so that they can banned from the point system.
But if someone despises pro wrestlers (or, say, reality TV stars, or any other types of people), whatever the reason, I am not sure that's related to the point system.
But if someone despises pro wrestlers (or, say, reality TV stars, or any other types of people), whatever the reason, I am not sure that's related to the point system.
Iceviper
10 years, 3 months ago at Feb 23 23:12 - @mrhoundoom; excusez-moi. My thoughts in quoting were that you followed my thought process in that everyone thinks differently. My error.
Iceviper
10 years, 3 months ago at Feb 23 23:14 - That said, I still believe that members should be free to rate as per their thoughts and personal feelings.
Moderator The O.P.
10 years, 3 months ago at Feb 24 9:13 - @Iceviper I am all for free thought, as long as there is thought! :)
But please take a look at robot2xl's ratings
7868 Movies rated 10/10
I'd say that's thought-less!
Actually I've just banned it from the points system; now let's see if that works.
But please take a look at robot2xl's ratings
7868 Movies rated 10/10
I'd say that's thought-less!
Actually I've just banned it from the points system; now let's see if that works.
Iceviper
10 years, 3 months ago at Feb 24 11:04 - As a moderator, that is your decision and I cannot say I disagree. As with all types of freedom and choice there are those who take advantage for whatever reason and there are those who must police these individuals and their actions. So be it. Wanting to gut the points system because of some perceived infraction is my sticking point. Who is to decide the masses are to suffer the consequences of the few? I believe the system works fine as is, with moderators making the decisions on a case per case basis. While I don't always agree with those decisions I can and do abide by them, as we all (as members) have the occasional "oops" (I am a prime example). A surgical strike is preferred to nuking the whole area.
That said, I'll let this topic go.
Peace out!
:D
That said, I'll let this topic go.
Peace out!
:D
CD Smiles
10 years, 3 months ago at Feb 28 18:44 - "If someone is rating hundreds or thousands of people 1/10 for points, please do report them, so that they can banned from the point system."
My friend just added two wrestlers to this site yesterday, and within 12 hours BAMF had rated them both. Now I guess it's possible that he is an all-knowing celebrity encyclopedia, but he's rated over 24,000 people. Do you not see a problem with rating things that you know nothing about?
As I'm typing this I'm realizing how stupid this whole thing is to complain about, but it basically just comes down to whenever I search for a wrestler on this site, they usually have a terrible rating and I guess that irks me a bit, because I know it's coming from a guy who has no idea who said wrestler is.
My real big issue is with people who rate movies before they're even out though. If there was no points system there'd be no issues with that.
"Wanting to gut the points system because of some perceived infraction is my sticking point. Who is to decide the masses are to suffer the consequences of the few?"
Who finds fun in getting points? The entire system just encourages making low effort lists like "pictures of girls standing next to trees". I'm completely dumbfounded that anyone cares, honestly.
My friend just added two wrestlers to this site yesterday, and within 12 hours BAMF had rated them both. Now I guess it's possible that he is an all-knowing celebrity encyclopedia, but he's rated over 24,000 people. Do you not see a problem with rating things that you know nothing about?
As I'm typing this I'm realizing how stupid this whole thing is to complain about, but it basically just comes down to whenever I search for a wrestler on this site, they usually have a terrible rating and I guess that irks me a bit, because I know it's coming from a guy who has no idea who said wrestler is.
My real big issue is with people who rate movies before they're even out though. If there was no points system there'd be no issues with that.
"Wanting to gut the points system because of some perceived infraction is my sticking point. Who is to decide the masses are to suffer the consequences of the few?"
Who finds fun in getting points? The entire system just encourages making low effort lists like "pictures of girls standing next to trees". I'm completely dumbfounded that anyone cares, honestly.
mrhoundoom
10 years, 3 months ago at Mar 1 14:43 - @iceviper, sorry for that its just that the way you said it seemed like you were saying that what i said was too radical, but i guess those kind of things happen when people talk through text.
Also according to this thread i am also a "sinner" because all the people and fictional carachters i rate, i always give them 10/10, but thats because i find dumb giving to those categories specific scores (not to offend whoever does this though), because i either like an actor or not and if i like them i give them a 10/10.
Also according to this thread i am also a "sinner" because all the people and fictional carachters i rate, i always give them 10/10, but thats because i find dumb giving to those categories specific scores (not to offend whoever does this though), because i either like an actor or not and if i like them i give them a 10/10.
Moderator
tersanay
10 years, 3 months ago at Mar 1 14:44 - I've stayed out of this because I mostly don't care one way or the other. We each enjoy different things about the site and what people do is mostly their business as long as it's not breaking the rules.
I just want to add that I use other sites where you can rate and there are no points and people still rate before things come out. People are just stupid that way.
I just want to add that I use other sites where you can rate and there are no points and people still rate before things come out. People are just stupid that way.
Moderator The O.P.
10 years, 3 months ago at Mar 5 10:32 - @CDSmiles "...whenever I search for a wrestler on this site, they usually have a terrible rating and I guess that irks me a bit, because I know it's coming from a guy who has no idea who said wrestler is."
I think Listal should not show average ratings when there are fewer than, say, 3 voters.
If there are at least 3 ratings, any individual rating can not affect the outcome for more than one third of it.
I think Listal should not show average ratings when there are fewer than, say, 3 voters.
If there are at least 3 ratings, any individual rating can not affect the outcome for more than one third of it.