Review word minimum

Most of the contributing members here have posted great and sometimes lengthy reviews and others on the site only post reviews like "awesome" or "I really like it" and still are rewarded points.
I'm wondering if there was a way to force a word minimum like 50 words or more, for either getting points or just to post a review, so that people don't game the points system?
I'm wondering if there was a way to force a word minimum like 50 words or more, for either getting points or just to post a review, so that people don't game the points system?

sounds good

Aye Uber, we all want this. It makes so much sense really.

I know you posted this days ago..but I missed it. I couldn't agree more Uber!

Or as an alternative, an Invigilator could be appointed who reviews reviews and can turn off the points for those additions which are short or pointless or spam.
Just a thought bubble.
Just a thought bubble.

I know that would be to hard to do for one person but having a word script would be easier to implement.
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Why dont we have an unwritten code of conduct until a real one is made? Agree in a thread that we understand and will endeavour to do more than 50-100 word reviews. It is not hard to write 100 words about something if you truely have an opinion on it, if you dont, why review it?

Because most narutards can't write and want to take over by getting the highest rank they can so they just post simple uninformative "reviews".

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damn those reviews suck balls
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Straaange feeling like I seen this topic before. A few times. And I've only been a member a short while. It'd be nice to at least resurrect the old topic and carry on from there. Same people stating the same opinions... here's mine again :)
YES. For a word limit to get points.
NO. For a word limit to write reviews, or anykind of sensor going about deleting one sentence reviews.
NO. For voting against reviews, for the reason Voxy (i think) explained in a previous thread: people would vote for the reviews they agree with & vote against reviews they disagree with.
YES. For an ability to sort reviews based on length etc. This'll keep those people happy, who don't want too see short reviews
It's very easy to write trash in several paragraphs. And I've seen many a review on this site with helpful & thoughtful remarks in just a couple sentences. Generally it's just a matter of example again. It takes some balls to write "Man this movie sux ass i hate it" if the movie already has half a dozen well written, thoughtful reviews next to it. I guess this is the reason we've kept RYM pretty clean of this type of reviews, even though we have an almost everything goes policy. So if you see a review that irks you write a better one.
I know I'm indicting myself here, I've a 0 review count. Should do something about that. But I do like reading'em, so I guess my opinion counts.
YES. For a word limit to get points.
NO. For a word limit to write reviews, or anykind of sensor going about deleting one sentence reviews.
NO. For voting against reviews, for the reason Voxy (i think) explained in a previous thread: people would vote for the reviews they agree with & vote against reviews they disagree with.
YES. For an ability to sort reviews based on length etc. This'll keep those people happy, who don't want too see short reviews
It's very easy to write trash in several paragraphs. And I've seen many a review on this site with helpful & thoughtful remarks in just a couple sentences. Generally it's just a matter of example again. It takes some balls to write "Man this movie sux ass i hate it" if the movie already has half a dozen well written, thoughtful reviews next to it. I guess this is the reason we've kept RYM pretty clean of this type of reviews, even though we have an almost everything goes policy. So if you see a review that irks you write a better one.
I know I'm indicting myself here, I've a 0 review count. Should do something about that. But I do like reading'em, so I guess my opinion counts.

I don't know if I missed this thread or not...
I admit, when I first joined, I wrote a few very short reviews. But now, I second your opinion. I think there should be a character minimum for reviews. And it would be nice if all the reviews had correct grammar, but that's just a hopeful dream.
I do not think that if there was a "Vote against" option added, that it should be for if you didn't agree with the review. I think that it should be that you "Vote for" the review if you think it was well written, or "Vote against", if not. like if I read a review about Spiderman 3 saying that they loved it, but it was a well written review, I might vote for it. But if I even read a review saying that it sucked, but it was with terrible grammar, and vague, I would vote against it.
I dunno, it just seems strange to vote against someone just because they have a different view of the movie. Maybe if we called it "agree" and "disagree". Just a thought.
I admit, when I first joined, I wrote a few very short reviews. But now, I second your opinion. I think there should be a character minimum for reviews. And it would be nice if all the reviews had correct grammar, but that's just a hopeful dream.
I do not think that if there was a "Vote against" option added, that it should be for if you didn't agree with the review. I think that it should be that you "Vote for" the review if you think it was well written, or "Vote against", if not. like if I read a review about Spiderman 3 saying that they loved it, but it was a well written review, I might vote for it. But if I even read a review saying that it sucked, but it was with terrible grammar, and vague, I would vote against it.
I dunno, it just seems strange to vote against someone just because they have a different view of the movie. Maybe if we called it "agree" and "disagree". Just a thought.

rather than min word counts, what if we give mods (there will be more mods coming) power to zap reviews that are pure crap? then we dont have to do word counting or other such things.

Well, min word limits would just make it easier on the mods. But either way....
I'm just assuming that it would be easy to make a min limit. If it's not, then that's cool.
But if you think about it, a review really CAN'T be any good with under like, 10 or 20 words.
"i like this movie cause its funny and the actor guy is hot its one of my fav movies"
I'm just assuming that it would be easy to make a min limit. If it's not, then that's cool.
But if you think about it, a review really CAN'T be any good with under like, 10 or 20 words.
"i like this movie cause its funny and the actor guy is hot its one of my fav movies"
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That is a good idea Prelude, but it would just cause extra work for the mods which is unneccessary if you just put a code in to prevent such a thing happening. I report reviews quite a lot if they are awful, but nothing gets done. Those reports should find their way to a moderator in the future (after minimum character limits are implemented). Face it guys, you can't review a film in less than 500 characters. Give an opinion maybe, but not a review.

Hey now, 500 might be a bit harsh. Here's one by Prelude that's a little over 100:
bwde.listal.com/viewentry/82470
Still a great review, just on the short end. 500 is very strict. I think the min limit should just stop the one sentencers, not force people to write extremely long ones, or not write at all.
bwde.listal.com/viewentry/82470
Still a great review, just on the short end. 500 is very strict. I think the min limit should just stop the one sentencers, not force people to write extremely long ones, or not write at all.

FYI, if any picture, review, or list gets 'reported' via the REPORT button, I don't get any knowledge of that. i'm not sure 'where' those reports go. hope they do go to mods in future.
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500 characters dude, not 500 words! That's probably about dead on 500 characters/letters. It should be the baseline length of any review that gets rewarded by points.

My reviews are slowly improving, but they are still lacking,
piggybacking off what DoK said, how about a 25 word restriction if you just don't want one sentencers? 25 words, I doubt the Narutards have the vocabulary to make a sentence that long lolz
piggybacking off what DoK said, how about a 25 word restriction if you just don't want one sentencers? 25 words, I doubt the Narutards have the vocabulary to make a sentence that long lolz
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It's more difficult to filter based on words rather than characters. A character limit that decides whether or not someone's rewarded with points is fine with me. We don't need any reviews deleted.

500 characters dude, not 500 words!
Crap.....my bad. I'm kinda sick, so I'm not thinking clearly.
A character limit that decides whether or not someone's rewarded with points is fine with me. We don't need any reviews deleted.
I still find it annoying that those reviews are there anyway, regardless of if the person gets points or not. And yes, we do need quite a few reviews deleted. It steals the spotlight from those of us who actually take some time and thought to write reviews.
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I still find it annoying that those reviews are there anyway, regardless of if the person gets points or not. And yes, we do need quite a few reviews deleted. It steals the spotlight from those of us who actually take some time and thought to write reviews.
Write reviews and vote on the ones you like. Simple as that.
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Face it guys, you can't review a film in less than 500 characters. Give an opinion maybe, but not a review.
Probly right. But the system doesn't necessarily require each review to be THE review. Shorter reviews can give pointed opinions, or highlight certain aspects, and when you read all of them together, that might give you a better picture than reading one man's essay.
rather than min word counts, what if we give mods (there will be more mods coming) power to zap reviews that are pure crap? then we dont have to do word counting or other such things.
Nah. Because what's pure crap? I mean you kinda know but... Rather than relying on rules you're relying on some mods taste. Still mods should zap reviews that are downright insulting or threatning or spam. Like excessive cusswords on a children's movie.
I'm pretty sure these crap reviews appear because there's still a lack of good example. Leaving them as they are, might even provide a good incentive to write better ones. Why don't you all go write one-sentence putdowns of all my fave movies, so maybe I'll get my first review done :)
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Face it guys, you can't review a film in less than 500 characters. Give an opinion maybe, but not a review.
Your manner of writing is specious. Of course you can give a review in that amount. It's physically possible. No need to close the flood gates during a drought.
I'm pretty sure these crap reviews appear because there's still a lack of good example. Leaving them as they are, might even provide a good incentive to write better ones. Why don't you all go write one-sentence putdowns of all my fave movies, so maybe I'll get my first review done :)
You've got a point. Some people review, some don't; others are motivated by competition and still others by the lack of it. Essays on every item page can be intimidating for members and make them feel insecure about posting. If they see a crap review, though, they'll be all like Well, it don't get much worse than that and contribute. We don't need to impose on what's appropriate and what isn't because that does more harm than good. Like rubbing your eyes after getting dirt in them.
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The way I see it, there should be a standard 25 word minimum on reviews. Then, no points are rewarded if the review is les than 500 characters long, but obviously the review should still stand. Finally, it the review breaches the 500 character limit, then the 50 points should be awarded. Then maybe 100 points awarded if the review is over 500 words.
This isn't about banning members from contributing (more than 25 words anyway!), it's just about properly rewarding those who put more time into contributing more. I have been intimidated by far superior reviews on this site, I guess we should stop grammatically gifted members from writing reviews all together in that case.
This isn't about banning members from contributing (more than 25 words anyway!), it's just about properly rewarding those who put more time into contributing more. I have been intimidated by far superior reviews on this site, I guess we should stop grammatically gifted members from writing reviews all together in that case.

Nah. Because what's pure crap? I mean you kinda know but... Rather than relying on rules you're relying on some mods taste. Still mods should zap reviews that are downright insulting or threatning or spam. Like excessive cusswords on a children's movie.
that's what I mean. I wouldn't go deleting reviews like 'OMG! I LOVE DIS MOVIE!!! LOLZZ!!!!' (although I personally wouldn't VOTE for it either... hehe)
but I'm seen some reviews that say "FUCK TEA!" or other such things.. THOSE are the ones that need mod-action to be deleted ASAP, as it makes people want to stop visiting Listal. In fact, even though some cussin' is fine in forums, perhaps a zero tolerance on cussin' in reviews would be more approriate, or at the least zero cussin' in any kids or general audience family films.
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zero cussin' in any kids or general audience family films
I think this is the way to go. You'd still wanna be able to use the f-word for the latest Van Damme actioner. Tidying up language for Johnny Thunders or Alice Cooper reviews seems a bit wrong too. Similarly, I've uploaded some trailers and clips for action & horror films that aren't exactly "approved for all audiences". Nothing too gruesome, with guts flying about or anything, but a bit graphic. Also reviews for books, films, albums can deal with more mature subject matter, depending on the audience. So case by case again.

yeah, trying to write a review for this:
www.listal.com/movie/fuck
without being allowed to cuss... that's just wrong :)
www.listal.com/movie/fuck
without being allowed to cuss... that's just wrong :)

off topic, but related to what Dale said, what if we extract movie rating info from IMDB, and game ratings from amazon, and if anyone doesnt meet the age requirements as dictated by the rating, they would be blocked access to that item page?
too strict? but maybe it would 'mature' up this site, or at least, keep it safe from libel by posting videos with swearing and blood and guts and then hearing from angry parent whose 12 year old is part of the anime crowd on Listal.
too strict? but maybe it would 'mature' up this site, or at least, keep it safe from libel by posting videos with swearing and blood and guts and then hearing from angry parent whose 12 year old is part of the anime crowd on Listal.

On the topic of review min limit, I don't think it should be too strict. I was just saying a very loose rules, like maybe 150 characters even. That's two sentences. That at least keeps out the "i like this movie" 'reviews'. I don't think that points should be withheld for being on the shorter side.
And I agree that the language used in the review should match the item being reviewed. Imagine some crazed 14 year old venting on something like 'Piglet's big movie':
"This ****ing movie was a piece of ****! It was so ****ing bad, it made me want to **** **** out of my ****!"
And some parent coming on and reading it saying "Oh my."
And I agree that the language used in the review should match the item being reviewed. Imagine some crazed 14 year old venting on something like 'Piglet's big movie':
"This ****ing movie was a piece of ****! It was so ****ing bad, it made me want to **** **** out of my ****!"
And some parent coming on and reading it saying "Oh my."
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off topic, but related to what Dale said, what if we extract movie rating info from IMDB, and game ratings from amazon, and if anyone doesnt meet the age requirements as dictated by the rating, they would be blocked access to that item page?
When looking over the item page for Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, you may or may not notice images that could be deemed inappropriate (I see one of the pieces of official art I posted has gotten some inevitable views). If blocking item pages is the fastest way for now, it could be a temporary fix. A limited item page should be concocted for those under the moviegoer age so they can still contribute tags and whatnot.
"This ****ing movie was a piece of ****! It was so ****ing bad, it made me want to **** **** out of my ****!"
What portion of that review is inaccurate, Doff?

LOL, I never said it was inaccurate, I said it was inappropriate for younger people reading it.
And "Doff"?
And "Doff"?
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And "Doff"?
Oi! I have dyslexia. That was apparently my own personal way of saying 'DoK' at the given time...
Well, that's embarrassing. Let's all DoK the very memory of this unfortunate processing malfunction.

no worries folks. spoke to the big man (no, not god... the other big man) and changes are a-comin', so we won't be needing minimum words and such. that would just complicate things and can still be abused by typing LOL 50 times. :)
cheers
cheers

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Happy happy joy joy, Prelude!
No problem, Thil. I just thought it stood for something else.
No problem, Thil. I just thought it stood for something else.
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no worries folks. spoke to the big man (no, not god... the other big man) and changes are a-comin', so we won't be needing minimum words and such. that would just complicate things and can still be abused by typing LOL 50 times. :)
cheers
Is that as specific as you can be? Stop giving us this BS about a burning bush and tell us how to get to heaven!!
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What's happened with this? Or what's going to happen, and when? I mean specifically.

just reviving this since we're getting assaulted with poor reviews once more
Tom, are the changes you mentioned for Review coming soon?
Review like this are slowly killing me: www.listal.com/viewentry/102058/
It's quite sad when an autistic member writes a review
www.listal.com/viewentry/102079/
that is more intelligent and informative than anything coming out of the anime crowd.
Tom, are the changes you mentioned for Review coming soon?
Review like this are slowly killing me: www.listal.com/viewentry/102058/
It's quite sad when an autistic member writes a review
www.listal.com/viewentry/102079/
that is more intelligent and informative than anything coming out of the anime crowd.
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Smart people with autism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_on_the_autistic_spectrum
I don't understand why you can't satisfy us by saying what's "a-comin'"? Or do you like knowing things others don't, does it make you feel like a man?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_on_the_autistic_spectrum
I don't understand why you can't satisfy us by saying what's "a-comin'"? Or do you like knowing things others don't, does it make you feel like a man?

lol
i swore I mentioned it in another thread
anyways, the 'a-comin' plan was to allow mods to flag certain poor reviews, so they only get displayed on person's profile page and not shown in the public 'explore reviews' area or attached to the item being reviewed.
i swore I mentioned it in another thread
anyways, the 'a-comin' plan was to allow mods to flag certain poor reviews, so they only get displayed on person's profile page and not shown in the public 'explore reviews' area or attached to the item being reviewed.

An update will be added shortly to enforce a 200 char minimum
I may also separate the shorter reviews into a different section under the main reviews.
I may also separate the shorter reviews into a different section under the main reviews.
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AWESOME!
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www.listal.com/groups/viewthread/7737/
What about this? Comments could still exceed 200 characters, right? What then?
What about this? Comments could still exceed 200 characters, right? What then?
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Pretty bad bugs there. Whenever Tom fixes them they usually take the points away to accomodate. Is that why my reviews on my points page compared to the reviews page don't add up? Best go and compliment a few more people on their 'great reviews'!
Definitely a bug that needs sorting.
Definitely a bug that needs sorting.

An update will be added shortly to enforce a 200 char minimum
Sounds good but do we know how many words that roughly adds up to? I only have a word counter not a character counter.

I admit I just skimmed through so maybe something was said and I missed it but is there away that we could have 2 separate buttons, 1 for reviews with a minimum characters set, that awards points for genuine reviews and 1 button for just comments, for those that just want to post I liked/hated it, or maybe beware lots of violence/nudity/drugs, this could allow posters a little more to say than the tags and yet not force them to feel obligated to a full review and that button could just offer no/minimal points?