Primary image havoc.

To allow everyone to change the primary image is probably the most stupid feature of this website.

Why the fuck should MY list not display the picture I WANT for the people I selected? Why should I have to cope with the someone else's shit taste?

In the end, it is the person who has the most time to spare on his hands, who will have the last say.

It really really pisses me off!

You need to deactivate this function.

@GoodVibrations
I see what you mean, I noticed the issue myself, but what would be the alternative? I mean, who should have the last say on what pic is the primary image for a person? Maybe we should have a "lock" to lock the primary image? But, again, who sets the lock? :)

If you want to show a specific image, anyway, you can add that image as a "note" to the list. Otherwise, a people list will only show the primary image for each person, which can be changed by any user.

Why don't you take your responsibility as a moderator and pick the primary image yourself and lock it, indeed. That way, there would be no discussion. Sure, it involves a lot of work but you do not have to do it in one day.

There is this sick guy, Momo, who decides what everyone should see or not see. He must be a pathetic unemployed loser because he clearly has a lot of time to dedicate to selecting all the primary images on Listal. And he always picks the worst picture there is.

Whenever I would pick one for the people in my lists, he would immediately put the crapy one he selected straight back. The guy does not sleep... he seems to be connected to Listal 24/7. This lowlife nerd is really starting to run on my nerves.

Or,

if you do not want to handle this amount extra work yourself then try and find a way for the primary image to be selected automatically at random.

And make it change automatically every month, for example, so that we do not always see the same picture all the time, thus making it less boring and making everyone happy.

Like on Windows with your desktop screen background.

Why don't you take your responsibility as a moderator and pick the primary image yourself and lock it, indeed. ...

We don't because... we have no way to do it. There is no "primary image lock" on Listal.

Okay,then it is anarchy. Everyone wants his favourite picture as the primary image. The only problem is that there only can be one.

It would be handy to have a feature that restricts certain images being used, so that a moderator can mark them as inappropriate so they can't be used in the future, this would be a good way of stopping full body shots popping up all over the place. So many people on here simply can't read the guidance given before they click. I'm not sure if there is a history available to moderators regarding image change, but perhaps it could be useful to identify those responsible and put a restriction on those accounts. I'm sick of seeing tits and arse on primary images.

I've given up chasing them all, they only get changed back just as quickly.

I am sorry Onion Jack but I am not bothered by tits and asses as much as I am by wrinkled and chubby faces.

It is a matter of taste and we will never have a general consensus on what should be or should not be the primary image, let's face it. Which is why it is such a mess because we all think OUR choice is the best.

So it is about time, the moderators/owners of this website put an end to this circus and find a solution instead of buriying their faces in the sand.

Your particular take on this issue seems to be somewhat of a non-issue to me, you just seem to be stamping your feet about nothing. If you only want to show images that you like, make an image list, that way you don't need to worry about primary images, as they won't be displayed. Not much more to say on this one.

not sure if there is a history available to moderators regarding image change,

Nay!

but perhaps it could be useful to identify those responsible and put a restriction on those accounts.

Aye!

I think you are missing the point Onion Jack and just coming up with a diversion.

Your "solution" is not resolving the primary image issue at all. I am not talking about an image list but a people list. It does not matter anyway.

The point is allowing every member to alter the way Listal is displayed is just madness. And do not get me started on the duplicate issue. There are too many people who cannot be bothered of checking prior to dropping everything they have and we end up with four or five duplicates of the same picture in a list of more than 5000.

Anyway, it is about time this website moved from an amateurish to a more and mature stage, isn't it? And there are a number of things that have to be dealt with in order to achieve that.

Merely saying "we do not know what to do about it" is no longer acceptable.

Instead of wasting your time chasing tits and asses, I would suggest you started dealing with fundamental issues.

You know you are losing the battle of the internet medias to the likes of Tumblr, instagram or Flicker, don't you? It must be getting more and more difficult for Listal to get sponsorship.

The duplicate issue has been raised time and again, and many new mods have appeared lately, so that should prove that effort is being made to combat that issue.

I have issue with some of the things that you appear to be happy to support/upload. You do know that this isn't a site for adult material don't you, and that is one of the major problems on this site... people uploading any old crap they want, regardless of the rules. You've already stated you don't care about tits and ass, you seem to think that's all well and good, as long as you don't see wrinkly or fat faces. You aren't here to address any issues, if you were then you wouldn't be so willing to add to them further. You just want things how you want them, and bollocks to anyone else.

For me, and this is the last I will say... the ONLY issue with letting people set the primary image is that many ignore the guidelines regarding full body shots.

First of all, I could not care less if you find me offensive. This is not a social network and I am not here to win a popularity contest.

As far as the primary image issue is concerned, I am merely stating a fact and you are all too happy to dismiss my claim because it is easier.

As I said, it is a matter of taste. What you consider offensive, I don't. But I am not going into a pointless debate with you.

In the end, the fact remains that anyone can select the primary image and it is neither useful nor pleasant since it only creates tensions and frustrations. If you keep waving issues by the hand, Listal will be short lived because the competition is fierce.

@GoodVibrations

... So it is about time, the moderators/owners of this website put an end to this circus and find a solution instead of buriying their faces in the sand.

I can only speak for myself as a Listal user and moderator.
Like I said, I agree we have a problem with Primary Image.
How can it be solved? As of now, we do not have the "tools" to even deal with users who abuse the system by setting a full body pic as primary image, thus blatantly ignore the notice that reads
Please ensure if possible the profile image is a portrait shot where the face is visable as a small thumbnail image, do not set full body shots as the profile image.

I think O.J. nailed it with his suggestion: "a history available to moderators regarding image change... perhaps it could be useful to identify those responsible and put a restriction on those accounts."

Right you are GoodVibrations, that would not prevent any user from changing the primary image to a different portrait they like better, but it would at least stop users who change it incorrectly to a full body, which is most annoying.

To avoid too frequent changes, I guess we would need a more complex tool, that is to say a "primary image lock". How should it work? Yes, it could be set by moderators, but I doubt that that would put an end to discussions. There would always be people complaining because primary image is not what they want.
A different strategy might rely on a "poll system", that is to say you can not change primary image directly, but you can express your preference for another image as primary image. The picture that has a majority of preferences... wins! and is automatically set as primary image. Moderators would take action only if a completely inappropriate image is set by user preferences.
Such preferences, let be clear about this, would not be the same as ordinary votes, because you can vote for a full body image you like yet not want it as primary image.

That is my 2 cents. That said, I do not know whether all this is going to be a priority for this web site any time soon, as there are some other interesting new features underway. :)

Oh and by the way, if you keep telling people, "if you don't like it, just leave", they might just do that. ^^

Onion Jack, I have already stated my views on the nudity issue in another thread, I am not going to start a new one www.listal.com/topic/nuditysexual-pictures

O.P. thanks O.P. for bringing this conversation back to the main topic, which is the Primary Image issue.

The voting system you are suggesting sounds incredibly complicated, if you ask me. And you will end up with what you might consider as nudity because they are the pictures that get the most votes. So you will not have solved anything with that.

The guidelines are either ignored or not even read. You know that and I know that. So it is not a safegard at all.

I do not agree that Onion Jack nailed anything at all. Putting restrictions on some accounts only come down to one thing: getting caught. Those who will fly under the radar will still be able to chose the Primary Image whilst those who were caught (how anyway?) will not. Again, introducing a sense of unfairness inside this "community", thus increasing an already growing general anger and frustration.

If there is a way to deactivate the Primary Image change, I would do just that if I were you. Sure you would make some people unhappy but at least everyone would be on a par. Moderators rule the website, don't they? What's there to debate? Mods set the Primary Image, end of discussion.

I would be happy with that even if the picture selected is not my favourite. At least it would not be down to who is the most stubborn or who has the most time on his hands.

If you do not have the Tools to do it, maybe you should consult with whoever designed this forum and/or your competitors to see how they deal with this kind of issue.

You are concerned with full body shots, whilst prudish members are more concerned with nudity and I am bothered by pictures that do not show the person in its best light. As you can see, we cannot come to a general consensus so this website has to be run as dictatorship, not as a democracy I am afraid.

Personally I think a good solution would be to require users to pick "full body image" or "not" when uploading, the same way we have to pick a category in movie galleries. And the images categorized as full body shots could not be set a primary. Us mods could then add it for already uploaded pictures that keep being set as primary.
Although I also think it's a minor problem which doesn't need Tom's immediate attention compared to some other issues and I wouldn't get rid of the system altogether.
My 2 cents.

At last someone who comes up with an interesting idea!

The problem i see with mods only being able to update pictures is that there are simply too many Actors, Actresses, Celebrities, etc for the mods here to navigate through and keep updating main profile pictures im sorry i would hate to see a picture locked on a profile just because a mod hasn't had the time to update it when there has been recent pictures added to the profile.

Plus a big feature about the site is that for the most part its user driven being able to update pictures or info about a person or movie is just one of the reasons why this site is so awesome.

id suggest Tom make some people "Power Users" and those people along with mods have the ability to change a profile picture.

So if I understand you correctly, you include yourself in these "Powers Users" obviously! How convenient... thanks for sharing DuckNation. ^^

um no its whoever Tom and the mods think should be power users but sure whatever you can think what you want

@DuckNation

id suggest Tom make some people "Power Users" and those people along with mods have the ability to change a profile picture.

Or, everybody is a "power user", but you lose this privilege if you abuse the system. :)



@GoodVibrations

...deactivate the Primary Image change

If we deactivate all changes, that would leave us with some bad primary images.

If, instead, you mean that we deactivate change after a mod okays the primary image, that's the lock we were talking about. Fine, but many people would complain anyway because there is a new image they like better and so on.
There is no "easy" solution that makes everybody happy.

...nudity because they are the pictures that get the most votes

Such images are likely to be going to be deleted, because Listal does not allow overly sexual images. You may like it or not, that's Listal's rule.

You are concerned with full body shots,

I just want to apply the rule saying no body shots as primary image if a portrait is available, which by the way does make sense, because Primary images are going to be shown as small thumbnails. You would not recognize the face in a full body.

O.P., I think we are getting somewhere at last! This conversation will have proven useful if it is followed by action. There are a few good ideas here. In any event, it will always be better than doing nothing about it because it is just a big joke as it stands.

Remove your lock on the nudity/sexual thread compcua, I have no intentions of saying anything further to Onion mother fucking Jack. You are not going to prevent other people from expressing their views because of this moron, are you?

As for me, I have almost completed the deletion of all the pictures I ever posted and I will be gone once and for all from Listal after it is completed. Your website is a complete waste of time, as far as I am concerned, so this decision was not difficult to make at all.

Oh and by the way, the weirdo who has noting else to do in life but selecting all the primary pictures for everybody else has changed his name from Momo to raph, probably thinking that noone would be able to trace him.

Here is his Listal address antonio122.listal.com/