LoginPoll: What to do with RP in Anime?
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Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 17:16 - (I'm going to ask same question in Anime section as well)
Ok, in case anyone has missed what's going on, there is now moderation in Listal Groups, and as a moderator, I've tried to restore the Anime group from the 'Random Chat #2' it had become. Its ok so far, but don't want to police them daily, so one particular thing troubles me -- all those hundreds of RP (role-playing and virtual fight) threads they seem to love over there.
So my question, what to do with those threads?
1. Keep them in Anime section, but monitor them so they don't turn into all out flame wars as some have been. If they do, lock them. (that's what I'm doing in meantime but it takes too much moderation and I really don't care to read thru those type of threads... )
2. Move any and all RP threads over to Random Chat which is essentially unmoderated zone. Some anime users expressed they don't want this option as their problem is they have a good RP thread going and everyone buds in with random chit chat and thread gets flooded with crap, so by moving all RP to Random Chat, this may kill off their RP threads even quicker.
3. Start up an RP-only group.
4. Go grand-assault on them and ban RP altogether at listal.
I'm leaning towards option 3 (not sure whats involved from technical side) but will keep it option 1 for now til I hear everyone's feedback.
cheers
any other options welcome.
Ok, in case anyone has missed what's going on, there is now moderation in Listal Groups, and as a moderator, I've tried to restore the Anime group from the 'Random Chat #2' it had become. Its ok so far, but don't want to police them daily, so one particular thing troubles me -- all those hundreds of RP (role-playing and virtual fight) threads they seem to love over there.
So my question, what to do with those threads?
1. Keep them in Anime section, but monitor them so they don't turn into all out flame wars as some have been. If they do, lock them. (that's what I'm doing in meantime but it takes too much moderation and I really don't care to read thru those type of threads... )
2. Move any and all RP threads over to Random Chat which is essentially unmoderated zone. Some anime users expressed they don't want this option as their problem is they have a good RP thread going and everyone buds in with random chit chat and thread gets flooded with crap, so by moving all RP to Random Chat, this may kill off their RP threads even quicker.
3. Start up an RP-only group.
4. Go grand-assault on them and ban RP altogether at listal.
I'm leaning towards option 3 (not sure whats involved from technical side) but will keep it option 1 for now til I hear everyone's feedback.
cheers
any other options welcome.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 17:17 - 3 is my opinion sounds pretty sweet
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Uber
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 17:29 - 4 is my opinion but 3 is fine and won't piss the 'tards off.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 17:35 - i'll do 3 but i realy dont rp so it dont matter to me lolz....
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Seaworth
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 19:55 - Can't you make RP a sub-group of Anime? If it shows up along the top we are essentially labelling this site as an RP Site, which a lot of the Anime people think it is.
The thing is with RPing here. There are no guidelines and so you get GodMods and Wastlings. I'm a member of another forum where they have an RP Sub-section. While I see it completely pointless, I have never had a problem with it since it is kept tidy.
Essentially, you have a Thread which is a particular world or 'baddle field' where characters that you have outlined can join in. RPing isn't just fighting its learning more about the characters you create and others have created.
The Anime section might aswell be renamed 'RP' if you follow Option 1. Anime only lost its 'Points Status' because of RolePlay!
The thing is with RPing here. There are no guidelines and so you get GodMods and Wastlings. I'm a member of another forum where they have an RP Sub-section. While I see it completely pointless, I have never had a problem with it since it is kept tidy.
Essentially, you have a Thread which is a particular world or 'baddle field' where characters that you have outlined can join in. RPing isn't just fighting its learning more about the characters you create and others have created.
The Anime section might aswell be renamed 'RP' if you follow Option 1. Anime only lost its 'Points Status' because of RolePlay!
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 22:08 - I think the Anime thread should just be kept for anime discussion. I think it should essentially be flushed now that you have powers to keep it in check. I'm amused to see these reports of 'good RP' going on in the Anime forum. I'm surely just stating the obvious when I say this, but the average RPer myst be between 12-15 years old and their standard of English is reflected by this. The 'standard' of RP is rock bottom at the moment. If you want successful RP you need dedicated threads for member profiles, organised battles, judging and constructive criticism and so on. Not only is this not happening but the members who RP are simply incapable of doing this (they couldn't even keep one dedicated RP thread in check).
I'm also concerned that General Chat is just being turned into a quagmire. What's the point? Why not just get rid of it if it's going to turn into a bunch of threads with "hi" as every post.
I'm also concerned that General Chat is just being turned into a quagmire. What's the point? Why not just get rid of it if it's going to turn into a bunch of threads with "hi" as every post.
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GemLil
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 22:30 - I really think it needs to be rebuilt from ground zero. I think I'm with Uber on this...I'm for option 4..but 3 if you vito it.
What's your stance on inappropriate behaviour/language amongst 11 year olds on the RP threads?...I use the 'rape' thread as a point of case.
What's your stance on inappropriate behaviour/language amongst 11 year olds on the RP threads?...I use the 'rape' thread as a point of case.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 22:34 - I'd say 4 just because it's not really relevant to the site... but don't really care about it so I'd say 1.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 22:45 - Maintaining a single roleplay thread is possible (multiple pages may need to be a choice for thread-viewing). The thread will need to be locked if clutter gets too massive. I have the feeling that Random Chat should be covered in 'General' threads. Not only is such conversation as displayed in Random Chat achievable through wall posts and PMs, but with so little moderation there's talk of underaged drinking and the like. It would become a matter of Listal's number of VIP members in comparison to their number of lawsuits if we allowed a forum where gangs and the mob can meet with such freedom. I'm sure we have the mob sending each other private messages on here, though they'd much rather talk in a forum if it weren't a matter of secrecy.
So really, the only rules between the General forum and Random Chat would be that Random Chat can be about anything as long as it doesn't break a government law. If the General rules are loose enough and members are willing enough to live amongst each other in peace, the current forums minus Random Chat will do in addition to a moderator forum.
So really, the only rules between the General forum and Random Chat would be that Random Chat can be about anything as long as it doesn't break a government law. If the General rules are loose enough and members are willing enough to live amongst each other in peace, the current forums minus Random Chat will do in addition to a moderator forum.
Devious Phenomenon
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 22:48 - I say 3
and have it so what the creator of the thread says goes, that way we dont get a bunch of godmodding losers...
also, my vocabulary is very broad for whats considered the 'norm' for my age group, I just don't really show it that often, at least... not on here
and have it so what the creator of the thread says goes, that way we dont get a bunch of godmodding losers...
also, my vocabulary is very broad for whats considered the 'norm' for my age group, I just don't really show it that often, at least... not on here
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Moderator Seaworth
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 23:49 - He is doing what every fair Moderator should do. SO quit whining.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 11 23:56 - 4 would be nice, 2 is great too. But I think if necessary 3. I just want to see the RP out of the Anime section. @_@
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 6:39 - I'd say 4 just because it's not really relevant to the site... but don't really care about it so I'd say 1.
A bit rough, but you gotta think about it: does this have anything to do with maintaning a collection on Listal? If you're an anime fan who's cataloging & rating stuff, and discussing the genre with your peers, does it follow that you're interested in this RP stuff as well? Or is this something that's currently only done by 10-14 olds who don't really contribute to the site at all? I'm not an expert so I'm asking. It's popular so creating an own group would keep some people happy. But does it merit the attention? If this site all sudden got swamped up by people who used it as a dating agency, and it'd become real popular would we create its own group? Basically, if the more "serious" anime fans want it out of their forum, ditch the whole thing. If they want to keep it, keep it in the anime section. But I'm not an expert, so my opinions arent meant to carry much weight.
What's your stance on inappropriate behaviour/language amongst 11 year olds on the RP threads?...I use the 'rape' thread as a point of case.
Does worry me a bit. It hasn't really happened yet, but it's imaginable that sometime in the future the forums will be used by adults discussing mature themes in books, films etc. (and I won't be contributing!), so is it good to have a bunch of 11 year olds about without parental consent?
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 7:04 - 3 i am a big rp person
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 17:41 - A bit rough, but you gotta think about it: does this have anything to do with maintaning a collection on Listal? If you're an anime fan who's cataloging & rating stuff, and discussing the genre with your peers, does it follow that you're interested in this RP stuff as well? Or is this something that's currently only done by 10-14 olds who don't really contribute to the site at all? I'm not an expert so I'm asking. It's popular so creating an own group would keep some people happy. But does it merit the attention? If this site all sudden got swamped up by people who used it as a dating agency, and it'd become real popular would we create its own group? Basically, if the more "serious" anime fans want it out of their forum, ditch the whole thing. If they want to keep it, keep it in the anime section. But I'm not an expert, so my opinions arent meant to carry much weight.
It doesn't necessarily do any harm. If we added Collections items there'd be people from every obscure roleplaying fandom to keep it in line. Has everyone completely forgotten about Collections items?
Does worry me a bit. It hasn't really happened yet, but it's imaginable that sometime in the future the forums will be used by adults discussing mature themes in books, films etc. (and I won't be contributing!), so is it good to have a bunch of 11 year olds about without parental consent?
Listal wouldn't be legally responsible for things like that occurring as a result of private messages and whatnot. But then the way there's an open forum with the primary purpose of not being moderated at all...
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tartan_skirt
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 18:34 - 4. This site has nothing to do with role-play, there are purpose-built sites out there made for that sort of thing and it should be happening on them, not here. If thats all they want to use this site for then they can pack their bags and move. Simple.
VIP Moderator Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 18:40 - great, i'm getting replies across the board for all options.
I think I'll just flip a coin ;)
I think I'll just flip a coin ;)
VIP Moderator Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 18:55 - Ok, I'm leaning towards moving ALL RP threads, even Anime RP sessions, over to random chat, until we get an RP-only group. This way, Anime would be for anime discussions only, no exceptions.
Is everyone ok with this, or is there strong opinion against this? drawback is I supposed Random Chat would be even more busy and threads may get buried way too fast (which might be a good thing sometimes)
is this ok with majority?
Is everyone ok with this, or is there strong opinion against this? drawback is I supposed Random Chat would be even more busy and threads may get buried way too fast (which might be a good thing sometimes)
is this ok with majority?
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 18:56 - It's ok with me Prelude
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 19:08 - I'm just consulting my WWGAD? Bracelet and still think we should purge it. Too many concessions is what led the groups section to be overrun in the first place. Alternatively, if some sort of system is going to be placed on the groups section (e.g needing 1000 points to post) then it could be alright in there for now.
Phil
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 19:12 - Down to Tom and what he wants for his site, but if it were me I'd go with option 4 for similar reasons to Voxy and tartan_skirt. The site was designed for cataloguing/listing collections, and Role Play has nothing (that I can see) to do with this intention. It's really a waste of site bandwidth when there's no doubt hundreds if not thousands of sites designed for this. Of course, if Tom wants to pay for that, then it's his site and his prerogative to do as he wishes. That said, I don't venture into Anime or General Stuff forums (partly because of this), so options 1-3 won't affect me negatively for the time being, despite being in favour of 4.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 21:38 - If this site all sudden got swamped up by people who used it as a dating agency, and it'd become real popular would we create its own group?
Great example... and that's sort of how I see the whole thing. I can understand the groups related directly to content that is available on and in-line with the site... All others are sort of extraneous.
Unless Listal moves to an all-out forums/boards format (which I would actually be in favour of as you could make private areas for adults only and more easily avoid areas you don't want to see), I just don't see the need for specializing to small groups of users.
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Bael
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 21:53 - 4 and also moderation on random chat. all those "eat my p*ssy", "i'll rip your heart out", "XY is gay" and other immature stuff really annoys me and gives listal a bad reputation.
and btw, a real poll-feature would suit the forum quite good ;)
and btw, a real poll-feature would suit the forum quite good ;)
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 22:12 - I'm inbetween, as I'll reiterate. There's no need for a roleplay group, but why ban roleplaying from Listal altogether? It's a social website, after all, and different folks reach each other in different ways. You could put a limit on things discussable in the general forums, but it's general when all is said and done. It'll be a damn shame when a big flock of people come over from Wizards of the Coast forums and we have to say, "Sorry. We don't do that here."
Things need to be enforced, but overkill isn't necessary.
Things need to be enforced, but overkill isn't necessary.
VIP Moderator Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 22:56 - which is why putting it all in Random Chat seems to be most fair. After all, what does it have anything to do with Anime? If you disect RP threads, all they are is just a bunch of random chatting, albeit in a role-playing mindset.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 12 23:04 - which is why putting it all in Random Chat seems to be most fair. After all, what does it have anything to do with Anime? If you disect RP threads, all they are is just a bunch of random chatting, albeit in a role-playing mindset.
That'll work best for now. I get the feeling, eventually, that either the Random Chat section will need to be deleted or refreshed. If it gets refreshed, I see no reason why roleplaying shouldn't continue there. If it gets deleted, maintaining one roleplay thread at a time in the general forums wouldn't be such a hassle.
DefenderOfKnowledge
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 13 21:22 - I believe that RP should be completely banned from Listal. Call me a radical, but Listal is just not meant for RP. At all. Of course you can't just bring down the hammer and do it all at once, but I think that it should be gradually weeded out. But in the end, it all comes down to Tom's choice.
VIP Moderator Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 13 22:33 - I agree with Thilian's point - this is a social website, so how can we ban an entire type of chatting just because we feel it's stupid, poor language, and obtrusive?
Unless the RP thread veers off into personal flame wars or talks of rape or sex, I think it will be fine in Random Chat. It is after, nothing more than Random Chat.
If Tom wants to kill Random Chat altogether, that's his call. but it doesnt belong in Anime which is why I'm trying to kick it out of there.
Unless the RP thread veers off into personal flame wars or talks of rape or sex, I think it will be fine in Random Chat. It is after, nothing more than Random Chat.
If Tom wants to kill Random Chat altogether, that's his call. but it doesnt belong in Anime which is why I'm trying to kick it out of there.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 13 23:30 - I don't know, Prelude. Stupid, obtrusive threads with poor language almost justify their own deletion just because of that. RP is only exciting or readable when excellent language skills are employed.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 0:38 - I don't know, Prelude. Stupid, obtrusive threads with poor language almost justify their on deletion just because of that. RP is only exciting or readable when excellent language skills are employed.
Roleplaying can be just that. What Prelude said is how can we ban an entire type of chatting just because we feel it's stupid, poor language, and obtrusive? Anyone can easily untick it along with all of Random Chat unless they enjoy reading those threads (eh, Assault?). What if we'd banned game threads before the 'Name That Movie Quote Trivia Game' came around? It's dissimilar from normal discussion, too.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 0:51 - I'm pretty sure that English grammar and spelling laws would class it as poor language too. The average age of an RPer is younger than what should be legally allowed to contribute to the site in the first place. Why should a forum exist that has to be unchecked by the average user? Why should a forum be created just for a bunch of kids who can't spell and don't own an attention span? It's double standards at the very least.
Name the quote hasn't overtaken, diluted and destroyed its native forum.
Name the quote hasn't overtaken, diluted and destroyed its native forum.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 1:01 - I'm pretty sure that English grammar and spelling laws would class it as poor language too.
The average age of an RPer is younger than what should be legally allowed to contribute to the site in the first place. Why should a forum exist that has to be unchecked by the average user? Why should a forum be created just for a bunch of kids who can't spell and don't own an attention span? It's double standards at the very least.
You want two things: (A) deletion of the Random Chat forum, and (B) an age limit for joining this site.
I agree with (A) if Tom would allow it, as Random Chat allows a place where these kids can get themselves into potential danger. I'd alter (B) to be an age limit for participating in the forum. There was a 40 year old female user posting pages and pages of pornographic material to her pictures, and this little twelve year old girl came on her profile and totally bitch-slapped her. There are cliques of friends on here of lower age that take advantage of the website.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 1:08 - I don't want these things, they just seem neccessary now that listal has literally been invaded. I think if not age, a points limit should be enforced in the groups section (both would be awesome!). Delete the posts in the anime section and all of random chat to start again, that should remove it from google searches etc, then impose a 1000 point requirement for participation in the forums. It would cure a lot of cancers, considering most of these guys make no primary contribution to listal.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 1:11 - Delete the posts in the anime section and all of random chat to start again, that should remove it from google searches etc
That's a good idea. The Naruto invasion owes itself to algorithm.
DefenderOfKnowledge
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 2:54 - GA is on the right track. RP is not wrong, necessarily, but it just takes away from the rest of the site. Even if it's ignorable.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 7:00 - then impose a 1000 point requirement for participation in the forums
Nah. I think new members should be able to use the forums right away. To get a better feel of the community, and they might have questions about how to use Listal.
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 13:07 - Agood idea with the whole clearing thing I agree with that but rp should be allowed I mean if they rp properly not with the unreadable crap
VIP Moderator Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 13:29 - RP, i dont' mind and as long as its kept only in Random Chat, it's ok with me. I don't understand it, I don't get the fascination with it, and don't want to read any of it, but it's certainly a huge leap up from these sort of threads:
www.listal.com/groups/viewthread/7507/
www.listal.com/groups/viewthread/7507/
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17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 14 13:31 - Yeah I know it's annoying when all they do is that otherwise I wouldn't mind but that is just a) creepy and b)weird
Prelude can you delete that thread?
Prelude can you delete that thread?
Faith
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 29 12:09 - That thread is sort of odd.
Okay it's really odd!
You should probably make a new group for all RPs.
And you still probably think, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Okay it's really odd!
You should probably make a new group for all RPs.
And you still probably think, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Moderator Seaworth
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 29 12:11 - I think RP should be banned until the current Anime RPers have died or have left the website. It is a dead issue because none of them knows how to properly do it.
VIP Moderator Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 30 19:07 - they are 100% banned from anime, and so far I haven't let any RP thread survive in Random chat either. why? because NO ONE on listal can actually RP.
DefenderOfKnowledge
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 31 14:12 - Why don't we get everyone that contributes frequently to Listal, and make our own RP to show them how to do it? No, I'm not talking about a Naruto RP with justus and whatnot, I'm talking about a genuine RP.
VIP Moderator Prelude
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 31 15:12 - um, genuine RP is paper & pencil & dice - ya know, the good ol' D&D role-playing, not this virtual crap they call RP these days.
Moderator Seaworth
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 31 15:50 - On the contrary Prelude, I'm a member of another forum that has a section dedicated to RP and it has created some literate and interesting stories. The majority are unoriginal and reek of Anime rip-offs but there is potential. I never joined in mind you but I could tell the quality of their stories are like Ten SuperBowls in comparison to the Baddling PeeWee League here.
Those stories involve writing more than 'what are you doing this post.' Writing a paragraph and setting out decent profiles and worlds, it can be fun but the RPers of Listal have drained that aspect out of it.
I'd join DoK's suggestion but I believe that we should forget RP until the current generation of SHIT RPers are gone. "Then we can start to rebuild, mate with the females....become President."
Those stories involve writing more than 'what are you doing this post.' Writing a paragraph and setting out decent profiles and worlds, it can be fun but the RPers of Listal have drained that aspect out of it.
I'd join DoK's suggestion but I believe that we should forget RP until the current generation of SHIT RPers are gone. "Then we can start to rebuild, mate with the females....become President."
Moderator GemLil
17 years, 1 month ago at Mar 31 16:12 - Can you only RP about fantasy things? I dont really understand the concept at all.
I dont mind being a wealthy 19th century Lady who secretly plots to kill her husband, the owner of the third largest foundary in Tyne and Weir.
I'm also not against being an international jewell theif, a renegade cop and a gypsie witch. Up for a baddle TA?
I dont mind being a wealthy 19th century Lady who secretly plots to kill her husband, the owner of the third largest foundary in Tyne and Weir.
I'm also not against being an international jewell theif, a renegade cop and a gypsie witch. Up for a baddle TA?
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