Pic Deletion Confusion

OK, so now I'm getting confused. Yesterday, I posted a picture of Evangeline Lilly on the cover of "Lucky" magazine and it was deleted this morning under the "other" rule.

It isn't blatantly pornographic or even "NSFW." It isn't photoshopped.

Looking at ALL 1900+ pics in her profile, I can't find an exact duplicate and the closest to it is this one:

www.listal.com/viewimage/2294395

Now, unless someone can come up with a really compelling argument why it was deleted, I'm reposting it in the next 24 hours!

I know I've had pics deleted because of duplicates - my bad for not doing enough diligence, but this "other" umbrella rule is getting to be 100% pure BS.

That is actually the exact same photo. But, yes, we do allow the cover version to be uploaded as well, however I was certain I had already uploaded that pic in HQ, which is why I deleted it. It was my mistake, I apologize. However you have been recently uploading a lot of duplicate cover images that I have been deleting as duplicates so please understand why I wouldn't have bothered to give it a 2nd thought.

Very rarely sometimes things are deleted by mistake. Also sometimes images or their thumbnails don't show up properly for anyone but the user who uploaded it. So we delete those. It sounds weird, but JaimeLeah, Lenx and I have all looked into it and can confirm this really does happen.

You can reupload it, however I highly suggest, that you upload the HQ version: www.evangeline-lilly.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=118&pid=9421#top_display_media and not that tiny little thumbnail pic.

We have a lot of images to go through and I don't see why you have to get upset over one little image.

Sorry for any confusion. I hope that answers all your questions.

It isn't "one little image," it's an ongoing problem. The forum is littered with topics about it. I'm getting annoyed with the lack of a more coherent set of rules. I can understand deleting because of porn, duplication, etc, but "other" doesn't rectify the problem.

By example, two of my pics were deleted under the "other" clause and, upon looking further into the celeb's profile, they were actually duplicates. Maybe if we got rid of "other" people who don't know better would've directed the report properly?

I understand, but the problem is that it is beyond annoying to have to go through a gallery and find the original image every time a user posts a duplicate without bothering to check to see if its been already posted. If I'm familiar with the gallery and I am certain that it has already been posted, I will delete it as other. On occasion we make mistakes, but 99.9% of the time we are right.

No offense, but a lot of the images you post are reposts, and often in lower quality than the original.

Here is a detailed list about the image rules that you may want to read: www.listal.com/list/image-rules-rough-draft

I have looked through all your deleted images and there is a legit reason for ever one that has been deleted. All those reasons are explained on Jaytoast's list.

Your other image of Evangeline was deleted as other because it is a photoshop/fake cover. And the original image has already been posted long ago.

I usually write "repost" or whatever the reason is as my reasoning for deleting an image as other, but unfortunately only mods can view the reason. Perhaps that should be changed but that is up to Tom.

Regarding the HQ or Crop versions of the image,my following image was deleted due to duplicate

www.listal.com/viewimage/5152229

the image retained is the following one

www.listal.com/viewimage/324520

So could you please clarify that how come this image is HQ or mine was cropped ??

Another thing I want to ask that is it allowed to post the image which is one the cover of a magazine & same image which is without the magazine name ??

The one you posted isn't really in better quality. It looks like someone just enlarged it on photoshop or something. That is my guess as to why yours was deleted and not the original one. If an image enlarged is not in great resolution, I think the smaller one is better.

I can't speak for the other mods, but if it is a mainstream magazine, I have no problem with a user posting the cover image and the version without text. If it is just some crappy tabloid or some obscure magazine, where the publisher photoshopped the image into some other crap or just took the image from another source and added some random text, then it will probably deleted. I will also probably delete reprints of cover images as duplicates of the original cover. And if it is a fake cover, it will most certainly be deleted. In other words, use your best discretion. Does the image add something to the gallery or is it just cluttering it up with useless stuff?

As I said before, I can't speak for the other mods, but I think most mods would agree with this, or at least the ones I talk to.

And you just deleted a pic of Coco Rocha because it's a duplicate of one of your pics. However, my version is bigger, which, from past experience qualifies it as the better pic. WTF? I recently had a whole bunch of Kerry Washington pics deleted because Desollie posted HQ versions, so,...???

The one you posted was enlarged but not in greater resolution. Read paragraph 1 of my previously post.

Secondly, why are you posting duplicate images and not reporting the original as a duplicate in the first place? If you think you have uploaded an image in better quality, you are supposed to report it as a duplicate, so we can decide which one is better.

Took a look at your deleted images and in the Kerry Washington case and Desollie uploaded ones that were untagged and in significantly better quality. She also reported the old ones as duplicates, which is the correct thing to do.

Here are the rules regarding duplicate images:

Duplicate images
- No duplicate images unless the quality is significantly better than the old version.
- No images which are extremely similar to each other.

It is up to the discretion of an individual moderator to judge if these rules have been broken

I'm not debating the Kerry Washington pics, I understand why. I also reported the "lower quality" pics, but my pic was deleted instead?

Furthermore, I think you should recuse yourself from moderating matters that involve your pics and hand this over to another moderator.

As I said, I disagree with your images of Coco being significantly better quality. In fact, I think they are worse. Two of them were kept and the older pic was deleted but I personally disagree with that decision because the ones you posted are just blown up and blurry. The other one you just reposted and did not report. My guess is that the mod who deleted them would have also agreed but didn't think to check and just assumed that the larger ones where in better quality. Anyone can take a photo and enlarge it on photoshop but that doesn't make it better quality.

And how dare you say that? You have no idea how much work I have put into helping clean up this site, and especially deleting duplicate images.

If it weren't for the mods, this site would be an even greater mess.

Why don't you just stop posting duplicate images unless they are in significantly better quality?

All we are asking of you is to follow the rules and respect the decisions that mods make. I don't think that is asking too much. We are just trying to do what is best for this site.

Yes, I DO dare say that! It's called "impartiality." I would equally expect you to step in if I had issues with LenX's pics, emberlin's pics, JaimeLeah's pics, etc,...

What's so hard about that? And you complain I got upset over one little pic??

Deleted Coco Rocha picture is enlarged in photoshop, look at the text on it, how blurred it is - www.listal.com/viewimage/5153069

This version is smaller but better - www.listal.com/viewimage/2495798

Okay, I misread that comment as you saying I shouldn't be a mod at all, but I still find it unappreciative and slightly offensive.

I don't I care about a couple silly points and yes, it is offensive for you to think that I would and that it would therefore effect my ability to do my job. In fact, I think the point system is a plague to this site. I could care less who uploads an image, as long as it is posted in the best quality. I just want the best quality images of models and celebs I like to be posted.

LenX, Emberlin, JaimeLeah myself and all the other mods make fair decisions. We have enough stuff to deal with already and don't need to make our job more complicated because one users doesn't like my calls.

edit: Thank you, emberlin :) I think that proves my point.

What I'm upset about is having to deal with users who are not careful or considerate about images they post and who then turn it around by blaming the mods. We all take our job very seriously and have put a lot of effort into helping this site. And yes, it is overkill to have to constantly deal with users complaining about an image or two being deleted, especially when its users who don't even follow the rules.

Okay so first off, I'm not a moderator, and might just be nosing into a conversation that technically has nothing to do with me... but if you post in a public forum, you can expect outside opinion -- especially when you start insulting people who don't deserve it.

I'd like to point out that just because a picture brazilfashion or any mod deletes was in a report with their own as far as duplicates go... it doesn't mean they file the report themselves. I personally have probably filed a couple dozen reports against your pictures, because of them being low quality duplicates, crops, colored/photoshopped images, etc. So just because a mod deletes a picture in favor of their own does not mean they were the ones who brought the issue up in the first place. They're simply filing in agreement with what someone else, an unbiased party has said.

Which brings me to my next point: you have NO right to accuse brazilfashion or any other mod of unfair play when YOU are constantly ignoring and breaking image rules. If you can take the time to go through a gallery to answer a question about why an image was deleted, then you can sure as hell take the time before posting the image in the first place. It makes me mad, as a member, to have to shift through all that crap and make hundreds of reports -- which I've filed around 1500, actually, according to the number of my forum threads -- just because I actually want to have clean galleries. If you want your images to stop getting deleted/reported, then stop posting them in low quality, duplicate and/or cropped form.

EDIT: I wasn't intending to be overly mean, and I'm not trying to start a big issue. But I do think it's completely unfair to be rude to the mods; they make mistakes but they're not intentionally trying to screw you or anyone else over.

Why do people complain about having their images deleted? It's not like you get an award for having your image uploaded. Your image is usually deleted for a reason.

Back to the original topic at hand. As Brazilfashion said, mistakes do happen. Sometimes we make mistakes. Sometimes images are reported that are larger but not better quality. I don't think your picture was deleted because she wanted hers to be posted and not yours. That is ridiculous. She posts in galleries that don't get a lot of views/votes and I can personally attest to the fact that she doesn't care about points on this site. It was a genuine mistake.

Sometimes as a mod we delete images in a gallery because we know we've seen them before on the site. We don't get paid to do this, we have lives, we don't want to spend all afternoon looking for the original image. That is why the image is reported as other. That way you are alerted that it has been deleted. This is usually done when a mod feels that the person who uploaded the image frequently uploads LQ images or ones that are duplicate. I promise you we don't delete images just for the fun of it which seems to be a common misconception. We don't try to weasel you out of your points and keep them for ourselves.

Please just re-upload the image in HQ. That is encouraged.

Perhaps the solution would be to allow the user to see the reason for deletion that we type up. As Brazilfashion said normally we type a little something in there so that another mod can tell you why it was deleted, it just so happened to be overlooked this time. I've never understood why that isn't visible to the user on their deletion report. I think that little step would go a long way. I know I've looked up reasons for users when they have asked.

@JaimeLeah

Perhaps the solution would be to allow the user to see the reason for deletion that we type up.

Yes, I think that would help to avoid misunderstandings!

I've always thought that it would be helpful. I'm not sure why that isn't utilized if the function already exists.

I think the issue of being able to see reasons for deletion was already addressed in that atrocity of a list that meganfan had on her old account -- the 'problems with listal' one. Tom ended up replying to that among other things and said he agreed with everyone that the reasons should be clear for image deletion. So he very well might be working on that along with whatever other updates he's planning. Unless he forget, which he could have since that list was awhile ago.

@ Jaime,
I'm not accusing brazilfashion of deleting my pic in favor of hers, but I am suggesting that when the situation arises in general, that moderator, for the sake of fairness, shouldn't be involved.

As far as reasons, I'm a fairly quick learner. I don't post porn-like pics because I've seen them deleted. I try to avoid duplicates, so I've learned to look back a few pages (in some cases QUITE a few pages), but having this "other" reason doesn't prevent anyone from repeating the same mistake.

Come on, you are talking about few silly (potential) points. Who cares?

If i understand you right, what you are asking is ridiculous.

So you're saying that if JaimeLeah uploads an HQ of picture of a VS model that was previously posted in MQ, she should not be able delete the old one herself, even though she could conveniently do it right then and there and therefore not leave the gallery full of random duplicates? You're saying she should leave them both in the gallery and wait for me or another mod to do the exact same thing she could have easily done herself, delete the MQ in favor of her HQ?

I'm sorry but I don't think that is an efficient system at all and absolutely unnecessary. Furthermore, it would just be incredibly annoying. I have no issues with any of the judgements the other mods make, even when it comes to them deleting an image I uploaded for a better quality version uploaded by them. We care more about the content of the gallery than a few silly points.

What would be fair is to stop making our job so annoying by uploading LQ reposts and other duplicate images and complaining about your images getting deleted. We put a lot of work into this site and I don't see why you have suggest something that would make our jobs more difficult and annoying just so you can potentially have an extra 10 or 20 points.

I do however agree that the user should be able to see the reason their image was deleted as other. But there is nothing I can do about that. That is up to Tom.

I would also like to add that if any mod cared more about points than the quality of this site then they wouldn't be a mod. We don't get points for doing any mod related stuff (deleting, images reviews, editing content, deleting spam, talking with users about site related stuff etc.). We are doing this stuff because we care about this site (or at least parts of it) and are trying to help improve the quality of its content.

I'm gonna butt in here and say wow, you think that the moderators have nothing better to do than to sit around all day at your beck and call? Grow up! It's not the end of the frickin' world if your pictures get deleted. There's always a reason behind a deletion, so stop making forum threads where you bitch and complain, when YOU'RE the one who constantly uploads duplicates and low quality images. There's no need to freak out over a few measly points.

I understand what you mean about a mod not dealing with issues on their own images, truly. If I didn't know BrazilFashion I may be under the assumption that she would unfairly delete your images. I can't speak for some of the other mods but this is simply not something she would do. It was an accident.

I don't think that not allowing a mod to deal with their own reposts is a solution (if that is what you are suggesting). I feel as though you may mean in this particular situation. In that case consider me as the mod dealing with this issue. Yes, she and I are friends, but I think we came to a solution that would work for all of us. Maria even sent you a link to a higher quality image.

The other rule is basically used when a picture doesn't fit into any of the other categories. We simply do not have the time to look through the gallery to find the original and sometimes we use this as a shortcut. Again, if a user could see the reason for deletion that the mods provide it would help solve the problem.

^ No, that is what's he's suggesting. It is a beyond ridiculous suggestion, as I have explained earlier. And the fact that anyone would suggest that us mods restructure our whole system just so some user doesn't get "robbed" of 10 points for the sake of "fairness" is laughable.

@ TM: You make a thread complaining about a couple of your images being deleted. Instead of just ignoring the Nth annoying "why was my image deleted" thread by a user who doesn't even follow the rules, I take the time to give you a detailed explanation and then another one for your other image. That should be it. To have to turn it around on the mod and accuse me of being biased because I want my image not be the one posted and not yours is preposterous. It's just disrespectful when someone is trying to help you and just because you don't like their answer you have to question their ability to do their job. I am perfectly capable of making fair calls regardless of who posted the image (and thank you Jaime for backing me up).

For you to suggest that I would do something just to get an extra 10 points is insulting. The point system is stupid and just encourages spamming. I would rather it not exist.
You should have just respected the explanation I gave you. It was in no way necessary for Emberlin and JaimeLeah to have to both come in here and back me up.

TM, the bottom line is, you wouldn't have so many or perhaps even any images deleted as "other" if you bothered to check the gallery for duplicates. Sometimes a few pages really isn't enough. If it's an older image in a gallery with over a thousand pics in it, odds are it has probably already been posted. If you are unwilling to check and don't want to risk your images being deleted then don't upload images into the public galleries. It's not fair to those who actually check for duplicates and make an effort to post images in the best quality available. And it's not fair to us mods and users who care to have to clean up your mess.

If you are using an image just for a list it is 100% acceptable to just upload it to your profile as BF has stated. I would suggest that. It is hard to find images in galleries but it's not impossible.

Hi...

Just need to ask this, 11 of my Shanina Shaik images were deleted with the reason "Duplicate" but as I checked the deleted images with the images which are kept both have same resolution. Can anyone explain ??

www.listal.com/viewimage/5231594
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231587
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231582
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231593
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231585
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231592
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231584
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231591
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231595
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231588
www.listal.com/viewimage/5231574

Thanks

I was the one who deleted yours, Ultimateone. The pictures you had uploaded were the same size, yes, but they were blurry around the edges and looked more stretched and pixelated. The ones I put up were clearer and didn't have those blurs. Therefore I considered them higher quality.

Sorry; nothing personal. I just wanted clearer ones. (:

Bottom line is Images that are the best quality should always be the ones that are kept. Best Quality does not always mean the largest sized one.

@ Maggie & @ brazilfashion : Thanks for clarifying.From now on will look forward for the edges too....Lolz