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underrated & overrated movies from 2000 to 2011

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People who added this item 1028 Average listal rating (546 ratings) 7.5 IMDB Rating 7.5
I'm a huge Charlie Kaufman's fan...and I feel like this is his best movie ever.

Everybody's always saying that "Kaufman only talks about Kaufman", and that's kind of true (and legitimate, as long as you're saying/analyzing something, wich he always is), but not here; here he is not talking about himself, of course is talking from his point of view, but that's only natural.
This is not an easy movie, it is kind of long, it feels even longer, it goes down very hard on the viewer, it's so full of deatails that it's scary, and it's deeply philosophical; there's no other term to describe it. This is a movie about human life, the way we take it and the meaning(s) we give to it...and it's one of the most powerful and moving pieces of cinema I've ever seen...not to mention greatly written and performed.
A great first movie as a director (even if hardly the director's are authors of their own moveis when those are written by Kaufman).
It feels to me like Kaufman said everything he ever had to say here, and it let me wondering about if and when he's going to do a new movie...
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People who added this item 176 Average listal rating (96 ratings) 6.2 IMDB Rating 6.4
Let me be clear about one thing: "Happiness" is an absolute masterpiece, no questions about that.
Now I can go on.
"Life During Wartime" is an odd creature, it feels like a "possible" sequel to the aforementioned masterpiece more than an official one, there's all another cast, all new characters (except for the 3 sisters) and all new stories; it's like Solondz decided to take the Jordans sisters and "play" with 'em a little more, without the necessity of actually bonding the two movies they lead.
Anyway, I found this to be great, a little less disturbing than the first one but, still, as unique, provoking, smart and deep as only Todd Solondz can be.
Unfortunately Todd's not an 'easy' director and he's not very famous and recognized...and his movies are like him...

I originally wanted to put "Happiness" on the list, but that's a 1998 movie, and this is a '3rd millenium' list, so I reall couldn't! Then I realized that this movie is even less recognized than the first one...so...
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People who added this item 432 Average listal rating (245 ratings) 6.7 IMDB Rating 7.1
Two Lovers (2008)
James Gray did a great job here!
The directing is so elegant, the story's treated in such an unconventional way, the main character is so refined and fascinating, and the all thing is greatly interpreted...
This is an incredibly delicate and "human" film; I'm not gonna say it's a great love-story 'cause that's not what it is, this is actually a great story about 'love' in a wider sense.
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People who added this item 128 Average listal rating (59 ratings) 6.9 IMDB Rating 7.1
One of the most impressive debut ever; but there's no-surprise with that since Joon-Ho Bong is one of the greatest filmmaker actually breathing!
I strongly recommend this movie to everybody, it's a shame this wasn't a bigger thing!
This is a real gem: sophisticated, unique, original, smart, deep and funny; it keeps skipping from genre to genre and from mood to mood like it's nothing, there's a great rythm behind the all thing, and it's able to feel very intimate while showing great personality.
One of the most refreshing movies of the last decade, you can't miss it.
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People who added this item 1070 Average listal rating (689 ratings) 6.9 IMDB Rating 7
The Host (2006)
This is Joon-ho Bong's biggest hit, and yet is so underrated. Probably the best example of the so called 'New (South) Korean Cinema'.
"The Host" starts playing with a lot of Hollywood's stereotypes and ends up creating something totally new and incredible.
It fucks with the viewer so many time and, again, it's constantly changing mood in an extremely natural way; it's like Godzilla meeting Antonioni and Cohen brothers, simply amazing!
Bong here is great in showing off his poetics and touching his dearest themes in such a nice, subtle way, while creating the best "Korean-blockbuster" ever made.
One of my personal favourites ever.
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People who added this item 513 Average listal rating (290 ratings) 7 IMDB Rating 6.8
Inside (2007)
If you heard of the recent french "horror nouvelle vague" (I don't think it's a very proper definition, but I heard a lot of people saying it and it's just cool to join 'em!), you should have heard of this movie; for sure it's the best of the 'family'!
Dark, gloomy and tense...and yet so short!
A lot of great choices in here, stylistically speaking it's one of the best horror movie of the last decade; it's somehow sadistic for the way it works: whatever it shows you, it does it coldly, almost enjoying that, refusing messy, concited shots and editing, using long, slow, elegant shots and sequence instead.
The idea and the scheme are pretty simple and highly functional: this is a house siege; it's also brilliant how the all concept of "siege" is used and explored on so many different levels (Banlieus-Paris, The Woman-The House, The Mother-The Womb), playing along with the title.
It subtly tries and slowly begins to be a real "nightmare", so there are some very surrealistic and surprising (and, in my opinion, functional) choices, that, apparently, not everybody equally enjoyed.
I personally found it extremely effective, refined and gorgeous.
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People who added this item 278 Average listal rating (136 ratings) 6.3 IMDB Rating 6.2
Gerry (2002)
It's not an easy film, and it's not for everybody, I'll give you that! But "Gerry" is my favorite movie in Gus Van Sant 'time-stretching' trilogy (that includes the extremely - but not THAT - good "Elephant", and the horrible "Last Days").
This is a psycho-philosophical journey, if you stick with it, it is capable of literally absorbing you.
Nothing's left to chances, not even the alienating ending, that I found perfect (but that's, for sure, very conceptual, like the all movie is).

Again: not easy and extremely heavy; for sure Van Sant's bravest movie.
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People who added this item 637 Average listal rating (378 ratings) 6.4 IMDB Rating 6.7
Talking about people I'm fan of...Woody Allen was probably my first movie-related-love.
I'm really not agreeing with people criticizing all of his latest works, "Match Point" and "Cassandra's Dream" are my two favorites latest Woody Allen's movies but, while the first one was decently received, this second one was way underrated!

I love how he plays with old genres here; the plot's really ambiguous and uncommon, and it's only "dressed" like a classic, when it's really modern and metaphorical in a pretty smart way.
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People who added this item 994 Average listal rating (562 ratings) 7.7 IMDB Rating 7.6
Back to South Korea: this is generally appreciated, but it was also generally unnoticed.
If you know this, you probably know this is part of Park Chan-Wook's 'vengeance' trilogy, along with "Sympathy for Mr Vengeance" and "Oldboy".
This movie was totally overshaded by "Oldboy", and that's not really fair.
I mean, of course "Oldboy" is a cool movie, pretty stylish and everything, but this one...this is in an all different league!
I actually think "Oldboy" - that I also liked - is the worst one out of the three, but I get how it can be more appreciated that "Sympathy for Mr Vengeance", it got all the mainstream-appeal and it's easier to follow. Plus: neither Mr nor Lady Vengeance had that big, worldwide, promotion "Oldboy" get, especially thanks to Tarantino's enthusiastic comments.
I found "Lady Vengeance" to be just the perfect synthesis between the first two movies - wich is only one of the reasons why I think it's the best out of the three - and it came out after "Oldboy", so I would have expected a pretty good hype too...

Anyway, this is an amazing movie, the best Park Chan-Wook did so far. Nobody should miss this!
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People who added this item 1072 Average listal rating (707 ratings) 6.2 IMDB Rating 6.2
First of all: I loved the first crank, I think it's one of my favorite action movie ever, for sure the funniest to come out during the last decade.
While the first one was a huge success, the second one was a flop, and it still is generally underrated.

Sure, I also preferred the first one; that was fresh and kind of anomalous, but still, the second one is pretty damn cool!
Being "Crank" basically a video-game, Taylor and Neveldine knew they surely couldn't change its patterns, so they found the easiest, and yet more effective way to make it work without boring their audience: they went totally bananas.
"Crank: High Voltage" is crazy as shit! Probably too crazy to be fully appreciated by everybody, but that was a great move if you ask me. Watching this movie is somehow like watching an episode of Family Guy, and I couldn't pay, nor imagine, a bigger compliment for a film like this.
They made once for all clear the video-game roots, they filled it up with extemporaneous sketches and nonsensical joke; it's pretty damn funny!
I'll tell you, this is a worthy sequel...but maybe its flaunted 'stupidity' and its extreme "over-the-topness" tried being too smart to make this another hit.
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You should probably not be here...whatev'

Successfull yet somehow underrated
People who added this item 2726 Average listal rating (1779 ratings) 7.4 IMDB Rating 7.6
This was generally well received by critics AND public, and that should be enough...but I really feel like it's not!
I feel like this is a somehow forgotten masterpiece...but probably I'm talking like this because this is one of my favorite movies ever and it's particularly dear to me...
This is Wes Anderson at the top of his game (also: you'll never see Ben Stiller in a movie as great as this).
Amazingly written and directed.
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People who added this item 5109 Average listal rating (3489 ratings) 7.1 IMDB Rating 7.7
300 (2006)
THIS...IS...ACTUALLY-PRETTY-GODDAMN-COOL-SO-STOP-BEING-PRETENTIOUS-BITCHES-ABOUT-IT!! (then I kick you and you fell down a pit! Fuck yeah!)

I know this was actually a huge success, but I'm just tired of reading people (especially some critics) bitching about how actually "dull", "stupid" and "inaccurate" this is...Down here there's even a certain amount of people saying that this is a movie for "hot-headed fascists".
So, since I think this is all bullshit, and since the movie is somehow snubbed by a lot of 'cinephiles', I thought...whatever! I'm putting this on my list!

"300" is a very effective adrenalinic flick...is it over-the-top? Of course it is, that's the all point!!
It's over-the-top and yet it's not ridiculous; matter of fact: it's pretty epic.
The only parts of the movie that I didn't quite enjoyed are the ones out of the battlefield (and believe me when I say I'm not a huge fan of long-lasting action or battle scenes).
The fantastic, supernatural and excessive elements of the movie (that's based on a graphic novel, we all know that, so stop blathering about realism and history) are pretty funny, a nice touch actually.

As for the "ethical" and "political" accusation, not that I usually care about this kind of criticisms, I find 'em simply inappropriate, just get over it.
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Overrated

(I am probably going to be a bitch about it, I'm just having fun!)
People who added this item 4659 Average listal rating (2836 ratings) 8 IMDB Rating 8.3
Can I say it? I'm going to say it:

I find "Requiem For a Dream" to be nothing but a shitty, wanky movie!

Definitely Aronofsky's worst job (yes, I preferred "The Fountain").
When I watched it I couldn't get off of me the sensation of being in front of someone who was so hardly trying to provoke strong reactions in me while actually boring the living shit out of me. To put it delicately: this movie is a never ending purge.
I kind of enjoied the hallucinatory sequences about Harry's mother, her pills addiction and the tv, but that's about it, the rest of this film is just well edited, condescending shit.

The wildly over-worked editing and directing are the very definition of trying too hard. They're totally pointless!
The dark, gloomy and ostentatiously "bad" attitude of the movie feels "a little" hypocritical, and totally fail at hiding and justifying the trite, emotional and "melodramatic" attitude that made the gianormous piece of crap it is.

Nothing more than some teenage shit.
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Avatar (2009)
Everything about this movie is already being said...
Nice images, but totally cold and empty (and that's enough to make 'em nothing THAT special, with or without 3D).
In this boring, "I already saw that...like...a thousand times", plot, the old 'white-guilt' is joined by a deeply irritating eco-moralism and by an excruciating do-gooder-ism.
Boring, predictable, almost irritanting.
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People who added this item 4796 Average listal rating (3134 ratings) 7.2 IMDB Rating 7.5
Juno (2007)
Annoying...this was just annoying...she is annoying, he is annoying, they are annoying, everything about this movie is extremely annoying.
And that's too bad, I really liked "Thank You For Smoking" a lot!

No questions about what's the worst thing about this movie: the final sequence.
That is one of the worst ending I've ever seen...and here I wanted to add something like "and I watched *TITLE OF ANOTHER MOVIE WITH A BAD ENDING*" but I couldn't really think to anything adequate; that's how bad the ending of this shit is!

My god this movie is so pretentious...
"Juno" is just like its script: not terrible, simply annoying and ingenuously over-thought.
Just 'cause you can think and write something even remotely smart it doesn't mean you and your characters are the best thing ever happened to cinema, and it surely doesn't mean your movies are going to be any good! Matter of fact, this movie sucks balls!
oh...and the all "let's make her a sarcastic, too-cool-for-school, tom-boy AND kind of a nerd" was so fake, overdone and unsurprising...just made me want to beat her dead with a baseball bat.

In other words: a juvenile deja-vu (watched too many episodes of "Daria" hu?!).

(have I already said how fucking annoying this movie is? 'Cause it is!)
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People who added this item 5101 Average listal rating (3354 ratings) 8 IMDB Rating 8.5
The Departed (2006)
Unnecessary. As a remake and as a movie.
All the additions made to Hong-Kongese version are pretty pointless and make the all thing way weaker and more predictable than the original one.
..."Infernal Affairs" please!
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People who added this item 2954 Average listal rating (1951 ratings) 7.9 IMDB Rating 8.2
Gran Torino (2008)
I honestly don't see where's the 'masterpiece' everybody were talking about back in '08. After I watched it, for an instant, I almost thought I got the wrong movie!

An old story told in the old way...nothing wrong with that, except that this movie is far from being a classic.
Clint wanted to celebrate decades of cinema and characters (his cinema and his characters of course), but what came out, in my opinion, was merely a shadow of all of that!
The movie, the characters and the general meaning are quite obvious and predictable, and I couldn't help but getting the feeling of an after school special.
The worst thing is that the way this world is shown to us is so stereotyped and out of its time that I actually found it kind of sad, even a little embarrassing...

It's still enjoyable, I guess, but I really don't see what all the fuss is about!
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People who added this item 954 Average listal rating (607 ratings) 7 IMDB Rating 7.2
Carnage (2011)
If anybody else but Polanski would have done this movie, this would have been nothing.
The actors are great, if it wasn't for them, I would have deeply hated this shit, instead...I was just very, very, very annoyed!! But not 'cause of them, that's for sure.
Of course Polanski can direct, there's no surprise with that, but I don't really see any greatness in this thing...
There is a weak plot and, unfortunately, nothing else to enjoy! The deep, sad, obviousness behind every single concept and dialogue was just too much to handle for me! The dull rhetoric behind every single - pointless - speech is what really killed this though.
You start the movie, after 5 minutes (top) you know what it's going to be, how it's going to end, and even what the last scene will be!

"But that's so smart 'cause it's so theatrical, and it's all set in one location in wich Polanski knows how to move the camera, and the characters are so verbose they HAVE to be at least smart!!"
...no they don't and no they are not, and I don't give a shit about how many location and characters they used.
This movie is sure wordy, but not in a good way; the script is from a theatrical piece, unfortunately not a good one, a dated one...an extreeeemely dated one! (I think it was actually written in 2006, but it feels like it was written in the 70's by some kid who just discovered relativism).

It was not even bad enough to make me angry, it's just pure mediocrity, and the fact that Polanski directed this made the all thing a lot more disappointing in my eyes.
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People who added this item 1700 Average listal rating (1066 ratings) 7.5 IMDB Rating 7.8
The Fighter (2010)
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WHY?!
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Inception (2010)
Nolan tried to realize a deep, meaningfull, movie with a super-duper mainstream fashion.
It's an interesting attempt, but he failed.
The several redundances and the everlasting action sequences bores quickly and the movie is also mined by what seems to be a never-solved indecision between simplistic and complicated explanations which make the all thing pretty 'ambiguous'.
"Inception" is cold, not that deep, not that "trippy" and not that astonishing.
Still nice to watch, just not that great and quite disappointing.
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People who added this item 7410 Average listal rating (4909 ratings) 8.3 IMDB Rating 9
Yes, I think Christopher Nolan's generally overrated.
I preferred this "The Dark Knight" to "Batman Begins" (that I really couldn't stand) and I think it's a nice movie, but, still, super-overrated!
The whole thing is based on Joker's monologues and Heath Ledger's performance (let's be clear: nothing to say about that!), but, in the end, this is just another batman movie, with few nice action sequences.
Of course, before Nolan came, Batman's franchise was dead and buried, but...was that really a problem?
Basically I think this movie has the same flaws his author has: it lacks of a really personal style, it's a good, derivative, son of its era and there's nothing really distinctive or special about it (except for ONE actor and ONE role).
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People who added this item 1693 Average listal rating (1115 ratings) 6.9 IMDB Rating 7.4
Limitless (2011)
to be fair: people didn't really care that much about this movie...but the only fact that someone did it's enough to let it be in here, that's how fucking bad I think this is!

Easily one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever seen and, by far, the worst movie on this list.
It takes a potentially-kind-of-interesting idea and turns it into the worst script ever.
Fucking boring, poorly written, poorly directed and poorly edited! I would like to say something bad about the actors too, but the so called "characters" of this thing are literally too pointless to let anybody actually 'act'...so let's just say they sucked too (They surely didn't help anyway)!

I'm actually not sure what's the worst thing about this movie...maybe it's the idiotic voice over that tells us what's happening while the terribly useless and inconclusive directing show us random images instead of narrating the story? Maybe it was the script? Was there even a script for this? Was this one of those "let's put some monkeys in a room and let them write something cause it just might be shakespeare, and if it's not, fuck it, we got Robert De Niro" kind of thing?
Was the director even aware this was not supposed to be a tv-sale? Is it true that people got paid for those awful 'visual effects'?

I am going to assume this movie was produced to do some money laundering because that's pretty much the only way to explain its existence.
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two more movies...there's just too many of them!
People who added this item 2709 Average listal rating (1766 ratings) 7.9 IMDB Rating 8
...I mean...it's ok...a classic story set up in a classic environment, with some reminiscence of "My Fair Lady"...
The writing and the directing are ok, the actors are pretty good, the characters are not bad...but fuck me was that corny or what?!
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People who added this item 3393 Average listal rating (2165 ratings) 7.3 IMDB Rating 7.7
This movie is cool and enjoyable (kind of slow here and there), but I was really surprised by all the fuss it created. Surely that was more facebook(-as-a-social-phenomenon)-related than about the movie itself, since there is nothing really unique or remarkable about it.
"it's representative of a generation"...is it? Really? That much?!
Well it sure ain't anything new or exciting, stylistically nor narratively.

I like Fincher but time made him quite manneristic.
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So this is my first list, and it's a classic one: "Some of the most underrated - overrated" movies from 2000 to 2011.
It's pretty random, but it's true to the core.

Why the year 2000? Because I'm lazy as shit and "2000" sounded like a good starting point!
"But why 2000-2011? why not 2000-2010?" you may ask!
Well...there are 2 easy answers for that:
A) Why not?! B) I had to put "Limitless" in this list because I fucking hate that shit so much!

That being said, this list is based on: personal feelings & opinions, reviews & votes, general recognition.
In other words: lots of movies are in here for completely different reason, there are movies that I think deserved way more attention; movies generally liked by the pubblic, not so much by the critics; movies generally liked by critics, not so much by the public; the same thing (reversed) is going on for both the categories.

Just keep in mind "overrated" doesn't necessarily means 'shitty' and "underrated" doesn't necessarily means 'masterpiece'...except when I spacifically say so!

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Posted: 5 years, 3 months ago at Aug 17 19:22
The Departed being unsurprising? hmmmmm, you clearly watched a different movie than I. And predictable? seriously? I also never understood how people can prefer the original Asian version over it. I also found 'Inception' to be pretty damn fantastic, but not everyone likes everything. 'Juno' as well, I loved.

The good news is, I agree with a lot of your entries. Glad you stated your opinions. Nice list.
Posted: 5 years, 3 months ago at Aug 18 11:09
"The Departed"...I'll never understand what people loved about that movie, let's just say I found it extremely unnecessary!
Anyway, despite the comment, as you can see I didn't give it a very low rating, I just didn't appreciate the operation and the movie; what I found predictable was the way they modified the movie, over-simplifying the all thing, especially with the relationship with the therapist, that made the reading of the movie too 'easy' in a pretty trite way. I also didn't appreciate the ending. But the movie it's obviously enjoyable (maybe more if you didn't see "Infernal Affair").
As for "inception", I surely didn't find it 'fantastic' but, again, I appreciated the movie, I just find it overrated for the aforementioned reasons (I also wrote a long review of that when it came out, but it was too long to translate and I'm pretty lazy! Maybe one day I will and I'll link it to you; that was a very accurate explanation of what I thought of the movie), I think it's a fair sufficiency (I'm talking about the vote of course :D ), it was nice, just not that mind blowing (and pretty damn slow!).
...and "Juno"...well I just couldn't stand it, here I stop 'cause I'd probably repeat what I wrote about it! :D

Anyway I'm glad you took the time to read all of this!
Posted: 5 years, 3 months ago at Sep 7 18:33
Well, I totally agree with this list! ;D
Posted: 4 years, 10 months ago at Feb 13 4:24
I haven't seen many of these, but the one's I have seen I agree with you. I saw Juno at the theatre, and had to walk out after about thirty minutes. It's more than just annoying, its infuriatingly stupid.
Posted: 4 years, 9 months ago at Feb 19 1:23
I COMPLETELY agree with your opinions on Requiem for a Dream.
Posted: 4 years, 9 months ago at Feb 19 19:01
not a nice list
Posted: 4 years, 9 months ago at Feb 19 19:01
sorry
Posted: 3 years, 10 months ago at Feb 9 2:10
Completely agree with you on 300 and Inception and Dark Knight is definitely overrated though I have a different outlook on that one than you and I liked Batman Begins more.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on Avatar, which I feel is one of the best action-fantasy movies ever made. Gran Turino, as well, I found to be excellent yet I can see how some might find it overrated.

Nice list overall and I love this type of thing.
Posted: 3 years, 10 months ago at Feb 13 21:08
just a reminder: OVERRATED does NOT (necessarily) mean BAD.

@AesthetiX: The only thing we're on totally opposed sides i obviously "Avatar"…I mean…I guess that some people could find that enjoyable but how can something so ordinary be "one of the best action-fantasy movies ever made"?
About "Gran Torino"…I don't think it stinks…it's just that I hardly find it a 'masterpiece'...

@Boshevik Gary: Yes exactly (especially "Inception"!). You should also check my votes anyway, it's not like I'm putting "The Dark Knight" and "300" in two different categories, matter of fact, I gave the two movies the same exact vote, I'm just talking about the way people think about those movies, and I don't really think "300" deserves a "please". "Inception" on the other hand…
Posted: 3 years, 5 months ago at Jun 22 16:33
So 300 is underrated but inception is overrated ? really?
please tell me this is a joke, i mean i'm trying to be supportive but there are too many things wrong with this list.
Posted: 3 years, 5 months ago at Jun 25 17:27
@OsamaEx: the point of a list about "under" and "over" rating is that there is someone "under" and "over" rating those movies and you obviously fall in that category from my perspective.

After all all I'm saying is that people talk about "300" like a dumb worthless movie way more than the movie per se would deserves, while they talk about "inception" as some kind of masterpiece, and I personally think it's way far from being that.

That being said:
do I think that "300" is better than "Inception"? Not necessarily.
Do I think that "300" get much less recognition than what it actually deserves and that, on the contrary, "Inception" get way (waaaaaay!) more recognition than it deserves? No doubt (and you just confirmed my idea).

Overall I also think that "300" reaches its goals way better than "Inception" does with its owns, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the movie is "better" (you'll see they don't get such different votes from me)...then again...obviously there is no such thing as "good" or a "bad" movies really...so...these kind of lists are by definition just for the sake of discussion.

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