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People who added this item 9092 Average listal rating (5718 ratings) 7.9 IMDB Rating 8.8
Forrest Gump (1994)
There is so much about this film that's just fucking awful. To name a couple: Tom Hanks doesn't turn in a great performance, he obnoxiously portrays the most boring character ever in an Best Picture winning film, the film is so embarrassingly sappy without having any real substantive drama, and it's about an hour too long with a narrative technique that doesn't pay homage to Citizen Kane; rather, it mocks it, and should be ashamed of using Welles's technique for its crappy, self-aware, unfunny, not charming, thoroughly idiotic story.
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People who added this item 8177 Average listal rating (5232 ratings) 8.4 IMDB Rating 8.9
Pulp Fiction (1994)
Has to be as bad as Gump (Harvey Kietel was sort of funny though). This is literally two and a half hours of ego stroking. Its wit is nonexistent, and its brand of comedy is limited to banal dialogue, absolutely vile acts of violence and depravity (there is nothing funny about a guy accidentally getting his face shot off or two men getting raped as the rapists' sex slave watches) and just generally boring scenarios that produce no funny conclusions. Samuel L Jackson is so goddamn obnoxious here, also.

This inclusion accounts for about every Tarantino film ever, especially Inglorious Basterds.
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People who added this item 1014 Average listal rating (601 ratings) 7.9 IMDB Rating 8
Notorious (1946)
I really do enjoy a good lot of Hitchock's films (Vertigo might be my all time favorite film), and I really wanted to like Notorious. The only thing I got out of it was a convincing performance from Ingrid Bergman. There was horrible character drama, nonexistent character dynamics (seriously, no sexual tension existed and we're supposed to be moved by Cary Grant finally kissing Ingrid Bergman? Or Claude Rains attempting to poison her? There was no initial dynamic so I just didn't care). The plot didn't make any sense, and its supposedly shocking conclusion was incredibly anticlimactic.
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People who added this item 428 Average listal rating (125 ratings) 8.6 IMDB Rating 8.6
Satantango (1994)
The first hour was interesting; I actually found the long takes and the movment within the frames (particularly the shot of the two people walking in an alley with trash blowing around them) quite breathtaking. The film from there turns into a plotless mess, with horrible character writing and an endless barrage of boring, dry, dramatically limp scenes. That's the first half; the second half devolves further into something not even visually pleasant and a plot that didn't even make much sense or carry any thematic significance. Really an awful way to spend ALMOST AN ENTIRE DAY.
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People who added this item 815 Average listal rating (496 ratings) 8.1 IMDB Rating 8
I'm a huge fan of emotion being created solely from the camera, but when you expect an audience to be moved by a completely void plot with no significant characters just because it has a visually impressive massacre scene (and really it's not all that impressive; I don't find the montage technique to be as emotive as, say, Dreyer's use of close-ups), you end up with a truly below average film. The rest of the film is even worse, and at its core it's not more impressive or any less offensive than Triumph of the Will.
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People who added this item 1091 Average listal rating (609 ratings) 8.1 IMDB Rating 7.9
Breathless (1960)
This accounts for Godard's entire filmography (Vivre da Vie and Weekend are his worst, but at least they're not considered one of the 20 or so all time greatest cinematic feats). Godard has absolutely no handle on style; he's a critic attempting to do a director's job and attempts to make his films culturally significant but instead makes them dull, with awful, completely banal dialogue and characters that simply cannot effectively drive a story. His films aren't emotionally or intellectually engaging, and the only one I slightly enjoy is Pierrot le Fou for it's rather stunning visuals, but even that film gets really boring on rewatches.
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People who added this item 197 Average listal rating (98 ratings) 7.6 IMDB Rating 7.5
L'argent (1983)
Man this film was a fucking bore. Same as Pickpocket, the film is really just an unoriginal tragedy of a character who, in typical French New Wave style, we never understand, sympathize with or are moved by because he has no defining qualities. Thematically it's an embrassment also; films attempting to advocate for socialism are never really very original, unless they're masterpieces on another level other than thematic (like There Will Be Blood or Greed, if both of those films are actually socialist which they are at least subtle about if they are at all).
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An uninvolving, unfunny and honestly unimaginative soap opera whose position among the greatest films of the decade is undeserved.
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People who added this item 5041 Average listal rating (3415 ratings) 7.8 IMDB Rating 8.5
I'm a fan of the first Terminator, but there's something about Arnold intentionally not killing people that doesn't sit well with me. Also the plot was way too contrived and I couldn't follow it at times, so I was bored through most of it.
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People who added this item 2244 Average listal rating (1333 ratings) 7.8 IMDB Rating 7.8
Blue Velvet (1986)
I'm a HUGE Mulholland Drive fan; I don't know what it is, but Lynch made one of film's most hauntingly atmospheric films with it. Outside of Eraserhead (and maybe Wild at Heart) I don't think he has made one other quality film. His films are goofy and self-aware. Blue Velvet is nothing more than a average thriller with some silly editing, an unconvincing and over-the-top performance from Drnnis Hopper and scenes inserted purely for shock value. Plus thematically it's so banal; the theme of suburban decay has been done to death in so many superior fashions than Lynch's mess.
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People who added this item 1146 Average listal rating (712 ratings) 8 IMDB Rating 8.1
Really just a boring film. I don't remember anything being bad, but the stakes of the plot were minor and the pacing was poor. I vastly prefer Touch of Evil and The Third Man as the greatest noirs.
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People who added this item 6480 Average listal rating (4200 ratings) 7.8 IMDB Rating 8.4
Another obnoxious portrayal of "suburban decay"; but this one is sappy, philosophically flat, has terrible acting (everyone but Spacey) and cringeworthy dialogue.
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People who added this item 3155 Average listal rating (1840 ratings) 8.2 IMDB Rating 8.5
Casablanca (1942)
It doesn't make much sense why I dislike this film; Bergman is great, Bogart turns up one of cinema's great performances as Rick (also one of the greatest film characters). But something about the film failed to convince me; I found it in part dull, and dramatically unconvincing. Maybe it was the pacing, or the camerawork, or something, but it's not the great American film.
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People who added this item 4176 Average listal rating (2706 ratings) 7.7 IMDB Rating 8.1
I know this isn't regarded as a great film, but it's still considered quality, and Christ it's Scorsese, but Jesus Christ this movie was bad. The most melodramatic and boring big-budget film I think I've ever seen outside of Gump. And for a psychological thriller it has absolutely no understanding of compelling psychology in the narrative. It's twist wasn't original or shocking, also.
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People who added this item 6396 Average listal rating (4345 ratings) 7.7 IMDB Rating 8.5
Gladiator (2000)
Ebert said it best when he said this was WWE put into Ancient Rome. Awful, overly stylized dialogue and a completely uninvolving plot lend to a bore. Acting and directing was decent though, as I'd expect from Ridley Scott and Joaquin Phoenix.
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Really just paced horribly; I think I might've fallen asleep in at least the first and third parts of the trilogy (though the second part and second half or so of the third were both rather fantastic, or at least quality, films). Harakiri is Kobayashi's greatest masterpiece!
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People who added this item 510 Average listal rating (237 ratings) 7.8 IMDB Rating 7.7
I still don't understand this movie or its appeal. Its final act is visually quite haunting, but I don't remember the rest having the oppressive atmosphere demanding of a surreal horror film such as this. In fact, I thought it was pretty boring.
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People who added this item 625 Average listal rating (444 ratings) 7.6 IMDB Rating 8.1
Spotlight (2015)
One of the many films, but probably the most offensive example of this, that hinges on the fact that its subject matter is "important", allowing people to ignore the glaring absence of deep characters, effective drama or even just generally engaging direction. It's a thoroughly boring film that unjustly beat the masterful Revenant at the Oscars, all because it denounces the Catholic Church.
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People who added this item 555 Average listal rating (303 ratings) 8.2 IMDB Rating 8.1
Fitzcarraldo (1982)
I love Herzog, and I really wanted to like the film. There were some flashes of absolute brilliance (the first half hour or so, the scene where Kinski's character sees the natives all emerging on the river, and of course the scene where the boat scales the mountain), and Kinski was, as always, tremendous, but I felt most of the film was filler. I much prefer Aguirre, Woyzeck and even Nosferatu.
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People who added this item 5745 Average listal rating (3837 ratings) 7.4 IMDB Rating 8.1
Dicaprio was charming, but the focal point of the film, the "chase", was never established before being directly brought up. It lacked the nuance that a film with its rather interesting plot needed. Its ending also went on for like 20 minutes too long.
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Posted: 2 months, 3 weeks ago at Aug 30 0:07
Pulp Fiction is one of the most overrated movies of all time. Forrest Gump is pretty overrated, too.
Good job on this list.
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 2 4:43
Oh come on, Forrest Gump is not that bad. It's sickly sweet, but it's very memorable, has some nice lines ("stupid is what stupid does" is actually pretty damn clever), and I like the idea of the human experience realized to its fullest by a slow man. It's cute, certainly better than Star Wars or other big blockbusters you excluded.

Hour of the Wolf is fucking fantastic and not that famous. Bergman's best film along with Shame and Cries and Whispers. It's by far the greatest achievement in horror, just a slow crawl into madness with a burn of a pace and brilliant visual narration. He was far from bullet proof though Bergman really was the greatest director ever.

Blue Velvet does suck for Lynch's idiotic, banal, and poorly handled "underbelly of suburban pleasantry". It's a perpetuation of the idea Fitzgerald perpetuated that satire is purposefully bad writing, engaging the viewer in recognizing and mocking its largely imaginary subject, black humor at its laziest and most obnoxious. That said, Hopper was amazing in that, made the film.

Maybe I'm being pedantic, but the statement "Godard has no style" is unfair. His films are incredibly boring, but he's got some pretty fucking colors and some nifty looking shots. Also Vivre le Vive worse than Contempt? Vivre le vive is basically just shots of Anna Karina being sexy, what is there to hate about that? But yeah, fuck Godard
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 2 4:43
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 2 23:26
I can't get past Gump as a character that's really my biggest issue. I don't find anything lovable about a lovable retard whose character has 0 dynamic. And I guess the "stupid is" quote is actually clever but lines like "life is like a box of chocolates" are too common for me to like the movie. Also it's like 3 hours long with no end in sight while watching. And for a film that attempts to realize the human experience, Gump is a pretty damn inhuman and unsympathetic character (unfair comparison but Citizen Kane is something that does this correctly) Ya, I could've included the first Star Wars (there are some pretty impressive scenes in Empire tho), Shawshank Redemption, Full Metal Jacket, what I've seen of Boyhood was garbage, but there's only so much I can say and I seriously hate Forrest Gump.

I don't think Hour of the Wolf was nuanced enough through its middle portion. The beginning and the end were quite good but I didn't think much of the middle was interesting at all. I was probably too critical but it's re worst Bergman I've seen, and I really do love a good lot of his films.

I've seen Blue Velvet twice and the first time I thought Hopper was really good the second I was just sort of annoyed. I think it's the shock value that made a first time viewing at least more tolerable, but him taking laughing gas and saying "mommy, baby wants do fuuuuuucck" is pretty fucking cringeworthy.

Ya visually Godard was pretty good sometimes, but really the only impressive example I can think of is Pierrot le Fou, which isn't a bad movie but still has the flaws inherent in most French New Wave. I haven't seen Contempt, but honestly I'd rather see sexy Bridget Bardot in color than sexy Anna Karina in black and white
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 3 18:03
I'm not saying Forrest Gump isn't crappy, overlong, and shallow, I'm just saying in my experience I've found people who build it up as the worst of cinema and an object of contempt seem more to attack what it is (a sickly sweet inspirational tale with their mom's favorite actor) rather what it isn't (a particularly good movie). It's not a third of the film The Shawshank Redemption is, but it's a hell of a lot better than Full Metal Jacket. Give me the treacle optimism of Forrest Gump over Kubrick's comically unsubtle and mindless cynicism. I have never seen a film shove more in the face of its audience what it's trying to do, it's like he watched every drill sergeant scene in popular culture and thought "they're failing to get across how dehumanizing this is". It tackles it's ideas with the nuance of a Troma film. The suicide scene stands out in memory as the worst acting I have seen in a major film. I don't really like Kubrick (I'll concede he had the technical components of cinema down better than anyone besides maybe Tarkovsky, yet so much of his work is just so intellectually shallow. 2001 is the very thing Tarkovsky made Solaris in defiance of and A Clockwork Orange is libertarian garbage, I can't forgive these things no matter how impressive they may be to the eye), but something THAT bad from him is genuinely surprising. Kind of sad to hear about Boyhood, though; I held out hope it might be good since I really enjoyed Bernie by the same director. I guess it did look pretty shitty

I haven't watched Hour of the Wolf in a long time, so I can't really say, but I'm pretty confident what you're saying is bullshit. Bergman's quieter films are always his best, he doesn't do melodrama or grand cinematic gestures well, he's absolutely amazing at atmosphere and pacing, though.

For the record, Bresson isn't French New Wave at all, he's just standard European minimalism (I'm sure there's a cinema major somewhere gritting his teeth at both of us). Also, I think in shitting on French new wave you're shitting on something both very broad that you also don't know very much about. The Mother and the Whore, Jules and Jim, and Zazie dans le Metro are all great films that fall under that banner, and while I can't swear by them as being perfect, I can say that any flaws they have are pretty profoundly different from those in Godard's work. I have a weird thing for Anna Karina that I don't for other actresses, so I can't really accurately assess the merits of Godard's shittier films. Basically the more of her the better. I liked Welles' comment on Godard, I don't think more need be said on him. Well, besides the fact that his fetishization of "cinema" encourages its worst.
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 3 18:44
At least I found R Lee Ermy pretty funny in Fu Metal Jacket, but ya it's pretty terrible through most of it. I never understood the whole "Solaris was Tarkovsky's response to the lack of humanity in 2001", especially when considering how HAL is one of the most human characters ever in film (my God I tear up when I see the Daisy scene). A Clockwork Orange has its share of wonderful scenes but as a whole picture it's not all that good. The Shining is a tremendous masterpiece though.

I sort of agree with how Bergman's quieter films are better (I still like Fanny and Alexander a lot but it's not his mastepiece like I once was convinced), but he's better with dialogue and interpersonal drama (why Winter Light and Autumn Sonata are probably my favorites) than he is visually, at least usually.

Ya I don't know much about French New Wave but Godard has turned me off completely and I have no intention of watching more films from a movement basically defined by him. Guess you're right about Bresson. Also I like 400 Blows a lot.
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 3 23:13
Ermey in that was the same case as Ledger's Joker or the Hopper performance you maligned (which I rewatched and found amusing, though the second time through and without the purposefully banal 45 minutes to precede it was less potent); amusing and fun, achieved what it was going for, though difficult to take seriously as acting. Paths of Glory was certainly far from graceful, though Full Metal Jacket is less subtle than the worst propaganda films. Solaris, to my understand, wasn't made in direct response to 2001 though more broadly what Tarkovsky saw as the shallowness of Western sci-fi (though I imagine 2001 was understood to be just such a work if not a very emblem for). The Hal scene bothers me on the level of what it's trying to do; as the machine slowly, in effect, dies, revealing an infancy of mind in testament to its humanity, it acts as effectively a statement on the dehumanization of men through progress and I just find it, again, intellectually shallow beyond words. It's obviously a cinematic feat worthy of admiration, 2001 (certainly I wouldn't say the same of A Clockwork Orange, which is neither near as visually impressive and actively revolting in what it's trying to say), but my dislike for what it's trying to say supersedes whatever obvious merit I find in it. I'd probably be a fan of it of I liked cinema more
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 3 23:32
I completely agree with your sentiments on Full Metal Jacket (but I really don't think Hopper's performance is particularly amusing or fun, but that's here nor there). Paths of Glory is pretty wonderful but literally only because of the opening half hour or so and Douglas's incredible performance. It's not one of Kubrick's greatest but it's pretty damn good (The Killing is the best early Kubrick to my mind). Clockwork is obviously not as visually fantastic as 2001, but I can count on one hand what films are. It's got some incredibly surreal shots and, visually at least, it does the novel (which I'm not a fan of) justice. Thematically it's too unsubtle to be entirely convincing though.

The HAL scene isn't really a statement on progress dehumanizing people. Well it is, but it's more a statement on the ability for humanity to transcend human emotion and flaw through progress, becoming more God-like. HAL is a robot intended to be this ideal, and yet he's still more human than the humans themselves (it might be some sort of Nietzhean thing about how we can succeed humanity through technology but such a thing will come naturally, but that's secondary). It's neither intellectually shallow nor incredibly deep, but it's incredibly dramatic and moving.

This is overrated Kubrick, what are your thoughts on Eyes Wide Shut though?
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 4 3:28
Eh, I haven't watched 2001 since Freshman year when I started fancying myself an aesthetic iconoclast, so, much like Citizen Kane, 2001 is one of those films I praised in high school I turned on in college I need to watch more with eyes matured and objective. Citizen Kane, 2001, 81/2, Persona, others of that genus. I will say it choked me up in high school pretty damn bad, so I can't argue on the level of potency. 2001 is probably the best film visually besides Stalker (it might be that it looks better than Stalker on a cinematographical level, but I find what Stalker documents to have more inherent beauty to it).

A Clockwork Orange has some cool shots, great sets, and badass sound editing, but a libertarian vision of dystopia from a novel more about exercises in language than character or plot was not going to be a good film. Also, Kubrick is quite possibly the worst of any of the major director's besides at interjecting his idea of the weird or shocking into films (besides Godard, though he's more films based entirely around it rather than interjection), and Clockwork illustrates this bad habit at its most obnoxious and visually banal. If I remember, I found the first half of Paths badly dated, and the second home to a strong performance by Douglas and a pretty bad script. I completely forgot about The Killing, I don't remember much besides loving it in high school and something about a dog. I haven't seen Eyes Wide Shut (John Oliver made some joke about an Eyes Wide Shut prom being a disaster and surprisingly boring, and to my knowledge that's the general attitude towards the film). I like Dr. Strangelove a decent bit, but Putney Swope is the true great American satire.
Posted: 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Sep 4 3:43
Eyes Wide Shut is pretty phenomenal... it's at least a good adaptation of Dream Story. It's a bit like if Lynch made a film about the illuminati and it actually had normal, decently realistic dialogue and wasnt goofy but instead incredibly nuanced and atmospheric. At least the first half is great.

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