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Added by PvtCaboose91 on 7 Aug 2015 06:49
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Let's Talk About Piracy

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No, It's Not Okay. Stop Pretending It Is

I haven't seen the Australian horror film Charlie's Farm, but after hearing director Chris Sun talk about his frustration with piracy, I might actually blind buy the sucker. Listen to his rant, take it in:

Piracy is so ingrained into everyday society that we no longer think about it. It's not a big deal anymore. New movie hits torrent sites, so people start downloading it and discussing it. Nobody thinks about the repercussions anymore. Movie studios are trying their hardest to bring down torrent sites, but the general public choose not to care.

But IT IS A BIG DEAL! Think about all of those independent filmmakers with genuine talent who put blood, sweat and tears into a project, only to get almost nothing from their efforts. I've spoken to Scott Adkins, who bemoaned that people keep downloading his movies even though he puts SO MUCH into them -- they're taken for granted. There are little movies that will never get made or will struggle to get financing because piracy is so rampant. Direct-to-video movies can be great, but mostly they're cheap & nasty because there isn't much money and nobody really cares.

By downloading a movie for free, you're stealing intellectual property. It's not fair on anyone involved in the production. By definition, that is a crime.

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"But It's Fine, Films Still Make Money!"

The big guys aren't really worse off if a movie flops, sure, but studios are still affected as a whole by money-losing failures. Studios do not have unlimited funds; they're out to make money.

And you know what? People keep bitching and moaning about the lack of quality and integrity in blockbusters, yet each new Transformers film makes a billion dollars at the box office while the brilliant Mad Max: Fury Road does barely decent business. Movies are becoming safer and more generic BECAUSE THERE'S THE RISK OF MOVIES FLOPPING. Studios know the recipe for success, and it involves PG-13, vanilla pretty-boy actors, CGI overload and a subpar script.

So the next time you think about how much you hate that films are getting worse, just know that you're part of the reason if you're downloading stuff.

Also, to combat piracy, cinema ticket prices keep going up, and so do concession stand prices. So again, that's YOUR fault, you fucking pirates.

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It Affects EVERYONE!

As I said, the big studio heads over at Fox and Paramount still get money, so do the actors and directors who negotiate their salary in advance.

But what about the little people? What about the lowly studio employees who get laid off because movies fail? What about the aforementioned indie filmmakers doing what they love, but not being able to make a sustainable living from it?

What about cinema workers who get laid off because business is struggling? What about cinema workers who get hours cut? What about the poor people working in retail stores who watch as the store goes out of business because people are too busy downloading and can't be bothered buying a fucking movie? What about the video stores that keep going under? Admittedly, Netflix and the like has created competition for video stores, but it still stands to reason that A LOT of people download stuff, rather than renting it.

Also, piracy is starting to affect the big players in Hollywood. DreamWorks, one of the big boys, has downsized and cut down on their motion picture releases because movies have been underperforming. People are too content to download them. So we'll never get sequels to great movies like Rise of the Guardians. Woe is me.

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Entertainment Is A Privilege, NOT An Entitlement!

This is the big one. Downloading a movie is free. People who are too poor to rent movies or go to the cinema use this as an excuse to download. "A cinema ticket would cost me what I make in an hour! I need to eat and pay rent and stuff!" Fine. That gives you no right to steal, though. If you're in dire financial straits, you haven't earned the privilege to have that entertainment. Stick to free-to-air TV. It's like saying that kids living in poverty have the right to run into a grocery store and steal a bunch of good quality food. Except that people NEED food to survive. People don't NEED movies to survive, IT'S A PRIVILEGE!

Digital entertainment is not a human right. It is not a necessity. It is a luxury. Part of the pleasure, and the value we ascribe to luxury, is in the sacrifice and work we trade for its acquisition. To go for the quick and easy option of theft actually deprives you of much of the pleasure of ownership.

Also, complaining that you're too poor to pay for movies is a self-negating excuse. Poor people cannot afford computers, internet subscriptions, or multi-terrabyte external hard-drives.

Pay for your fucking entertainment. Or rent movies for free from the library. Or pay for Netflix. You are not entitled to illegally obtain movies when money is spent on making and distributing them.

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However, Studios Need To Address Film Availability

The only time I will download a movie will be if I cannot find it anywhere. Obscure cult titles might not have even received DVD releases in my region, let alone Blu-ray! There's no way to watch them short of dropping cash to blind buy it from an overseas country, and that can be pricey as well as risky. So I will often download such titles.

Netflix and other streaming services are the perfect way for studios to address this problem. Them paying money to distribute movies in other regions and territories costs money - but Netflix paying them a bit for the rights to stream a movie they're not otherwise making money from? Why the hell not? Expand the Netflix libraries. Make rare films available.

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What About TV Show Piracy?

Speaking of film availability, I am often compelled to pirate TV shows if they are either not airing in my region, or if they air up to a month after initially being broadcast in the United States.

This aspect is a lot better than it used to be, and HBO shows now air in Australia on Foxtel at the same time as they do in America, but other shows like Hannibal are not as successful.

TV shows need to be released simultaneously, and be freely available around the world. Otherwise, piracy isn't going away anytime soon.

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Piracy. Everyone does it at some point. I seriously doubt that anyone below a certain age can say that they have never downloaded a movie.

Let's talk about it.

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Posted: 2 years, 9 months ago at Aug 10 10:52
While it is a crime, it hardly ranks compared to murder/sexual violence/child abuse/terrorism and countless others. If we struggle to bring perpetrators of these crimes to justice and even then hope that they can be punished, how can piracy of intellectual property be taken seriously? While I agree with all the points made, I personally don't think it should be front and center in the criminal justice spotlight. Life's tough, and people will always be assholes......
Posted: 2 years, 9 months ago at Aug 10 13:30
The issue is, while it is a crime, people try to justify it or simply do not think about the legal ramifications. They just download just because.
Posted: 2 years, 9 months ago at Aug 10 14:14
To Iceviper, he is not saying this heineous crime and a high priority; but it is STILL a crime.

Well stated reason here, it sort of has a snowball effect, as you have laid out. Pretty scary, as a filmmaker myself, and as a general love of the screen.

I admittedly did download a few movies last year, in part because there are too many movies out there and I need to see them ALL, haha. But I quickly found that when I was invited to see a movie in the theatre I actually had to consider money, thinking about how I could see it for free, and this really bothered me. I could see myself spiral towards getting addicted to illegal watching, so I stopped.
I have also done this with TV for the same reason, there are just too many shows I want to see, so sometimes I can't get to them before they're still available on TV, Netflix or Hulu, etc. I admittedly feel like, if it's a few episodes it's not so bad, PLUS I have heard it actually helps TV shows, because of the ridiculous competition, when people give a show a try for free and like it then they talk about it and bring more audience to when it airs next. That made me feel a little better, but I try to sustain it.
Posted: 2 years, 9 months ago at Aug 10 17:22
I agree that it is a crime (I don't see how people who do it can justify it though I know they do) that should be investigated and prosecuted but......with limited resources and a criminal justice system that cannot keep pace, this type of crime does and will always take a back burner.

The national stats on child abuse state that 24 children die every day in the U.S., but that doesn't grab media attention like media piracy. Seems like that in and of itself is a problem.
Posted: 1 year, 10 months ago at Jul 27 13:49
For the record, I'm 36 years old and I have never downloaded a movie. :)

On the other hand, I have to admit that I use Popcorn Time on a regular basis which is also illegal but I use it only because the film offer on Netflix and HBO is just not enough to satisfy my movie addiction.

Still, I completely agree on your views about Piracy and I agree that it is really bad for the movie business.

Indeed, as a result, we already have just 2 kinds of movies nowadays :

1. The massive blockbusters supposed to make a billion profit within a few weeks
2. The indie productions with a micro budget

There is seriously nothing else anymore in between which is really bad for the creative side of this business. But how could you blame the studios? They still have to find some way to make some money while 100 000s of people watch their movies for free.

I also agree with you that the answer should come with such streaming services like Netflix and HBO. I use both of them and they are really not expensive (10 euro and 15 euro per month). However, like you pointed out, the number of movies they propose is really too small, especially for movie junkies like us, and they should multiply their offer adding 100 times more movies to make it really amazing. Something really neat would be also to be able to make some requests to these streaming services so they could add the movies you are looking for :)

Ultimately, I don't really mind piracy as a way to watch movies from time to time, what is really bad is people who binge-watch pirated movies and never ever pay to watch a single one. I mind, I do understand that to go to the movies can be pretty expensive but to never pay at all?!? That's so bad...

Finally, another thing that really bother me about the subject is when I tell some of my colleagues that I will watch a cool movie in the movie theater in the week-end, then they ask why I would pay so much money when I could see it for free? What kind of f*cked up mentality is that?
Edit: 1 year, 10 months ago

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