Awesome! Very impressed with this, especially that you included Helloween and Celtic Frost. The old Blind Guardian albums from the late 80s (Battalions of Fear and Follow the Blind) are also very thrash-sounding, borrowing heavily from Helloween if you want to check them out.
And, if you do decide to do a purely black metal list for 1990 onwards you'll be overwhelmed at the amount of amazing albums from that era, man =).
How come there's not a single black metal song on a list named quite comically "The 50 Best Trash & Black Metal Songs"? Celtic Frost could be called as proto black metal, so that comes the closest to black metal and is not just a thrash metal band. But Helloween? It's nowhere near being thrash nor black metal.
my answer to the wolf ... there's only 3 song's of black metal in my list simply because it was the era of speed and trash metal and the song Warrior from Helloween it's a trash metal song and the entire album is also trash metal.... you surely don't know much about metal of the 80's do you think i've would put a song from Venom in my list... NEVER and Celtic Frost are the first black metal band that really had a impact in metal music.
I cannot see your logic. Why is it that I don't know anything about 80s metal? Is it because yoy get mad if anyone comments on your list anything else than just a praise.
Why is it an era of thrash and speed metal? It's not. Death metal was quite strong back then especially in the US. You do even have Possessed on your list, it certainly is death metal. The proto black metal scene in the mid-80s in Continental Europe (well Venom is from UK) and the first wave of black metal in the late 80s in Northern Europe were also quite notable.
Do tell me why you would never put Venom on your list? As it is one of the most influental metal bands of the 80s. I have no idea why you want to argue about Celtic Frost since I already said it's more a proto black metal band than just thrash band. The only one on your list even close to black metal. How about Bathory, the early Mayhem or Mercyful Fate? They certainly are as close to black metal as it got in the 80s. Just as Celtic Frost.
You had the time to comment on my profile also, just to say that I don't know anything about 80s metal. That is not correct. I do know quite much about the subject. Why on earth would I have asked my guestions if I knew nothing? I find your behaviour extremely childish and completely inappropriate for a person of your age. I did hope I could have had a reasonable conversation about the subject with you. Not some childish snappying. I figure it's not possible.
my answer to the wolf... maybe i've didn't explain clearly what i mean't when i've said that you don't know much about 80's metal.what i was trying to say it's between 1978 and 1991 i've lived and saw the explosion of metal on the music scene between 1978 and 1982 it was heavy metal (van halen - iron maiden - accept - def leppard -motorhead -judas priest -black sabbath etc) and black metal (venom) didn't have a impact on us (metal fans) like the other band that i've mentioned above but in 1983 when bands like slayer and metallica released their 1st albums it provoked a hurricane of fans and me and all my friends became trash metal fans. when those 2 bands released a new album in the 80's it was like the released of new GTA game for the metal fans and even if black metal bands had a bit of success they didn't had a big impact like trash metal or heavy metal.i've considered mercyful fate and bathory as heavy metal bands because bathory was somekind of black sabbath freaks and mercyful fate didn't have a loud heavy sound like black metal bands. the song The Exorcist from possessed it's at #24 on my list.there's something that you didn't realized it's on my list it's only trash metal or black metal hits and that list was not created and ranked by my own preference but by the impact that it did of my friends and also the metal fans. sorry if i may be a bit rude with you in my previous message's but when somebody tells me that the song Warrior from Helloween is not trash metal song when it's a trash metal song and says that there's no black metal song's when there's 3 of them in my list it's normal that i've thought you didn't no much on metal music of the 80's don't you think.
I do get the context of your list and find the content good, but the title is still misleading. When Celtic Frost is the only band on the list close to black metal, but still can easily be called as thrash metal, why include black metal on the title?
Yes, I am completely aware that most extreme metal subgenres were called simply black metal at one time, after Venom's album. And most of the subgenres have been named much later. Nowadays it's hell of a lot easier to study and even talk about the history and evolution of metal music with these labels called subgenres. There's really notable difference for example between death and black metal, though they were both once called simply black metal. There's even a huge difference on same genre between continents. Which I am sure you have noticed on American and German thrash.
As for the sake of greater good; I strongly recommend you to get into Stone. A legendary Finnish thrash metal band whose first two albums Stone and No Anaesthesia! are without a doubt some of the best thrash metal albums ever made.
I don't want argue about Helloween's thrashiness, but I think it's even at its most extreme speed metal. At most. This could be the gab between generations, I figure.
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And, if you do decide to do a purely black metal list for 1990 onwards you'll be overwhelmed at the amount of amazing albums from that era, man =).
Good list.
Why is it an era of thrash and speed metal? It's not. Death metal was quite strong back then especially in the US. You do even have Possessed on your list, it certainly is death metal. The proto black metal scene in the mid-80s in Continental Europe (well Venom is from UK) and the first wave of black metal in the late 80s in Northern Europe were also quite notable.
Do tell me why you would never put Venom on your list? As it is one of the most influental metal bands of the 80s. I have no idea why you want to argue about Celtic Frost since I already said it's more a proto black metal band than just thrash band. The only one on your list even close to black metal. How about Bathory, the early Mayhem or Mercyful Fate? They certainly are as close to black metal as it got in the 80s. Just as Celtic Frost.
You had the time to comment on my profile also, just to say that I don't know anything about 80s metal. That is not correct. I do know quite much about the subject. Why on earth would I have asked my guestions if I knew nothing? I find your behaviour extremely childish and completely inappropriate for a person of your age. I did hope I could have had a reasonable conversation about the subject with you. Not some childish snappying. I figure it's not possible.
Yes, I am completely aware that most extreme metal subgenres were called simply black metal at one time, after Venom's album. And most of the subgenres have been named much later. Nowadays it's hell of a lot easier to study and even talk about the history and evolution of metal music with these labels called subgenres. There's really notable difference for example between death and black metal, though they were both once called simply black metal. There's even a huge difference on same genre between continents. Which I am sure you have noticed on American and German thrash.
As for the sake of greater good; I strongly recommend you to get into Stone. A legendary Finnish thrash metal band whose first two albums Stone and No Anaesthesia! are without a doubt some of the best thrash metal albums ever made.
I don't want argue about Helloween's thrashiness, but I think it's even at its most extreme speed metal. At most. This could be the gab between generations, I figure.