Update feed http://www.listal.com/feed/movies/type:postreview en-us Tue, 30 Sep 2014 20:02:31 GMT Tue, 30 Sep 2014 20:02:31 GMT Listal.com catcarlo posted a review of Jimi: All Is by My Side <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505808'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/all-is-by-my-side'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/7157863/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Il film biografico a carattere musicale è uno dei generi più difficili da praticare, in special modo quando la materia è ancora viva e i tifosi in circolazione rimangono numerosi. La faccenda si complica ulteriormente se ci aggiungiamo la famiglia che rema contro tanto da vietare l’utilizzo del&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505808'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:13:37 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505808 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505808 OsamaEx posted a review of Hunger <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505730'>too Painful to Watch.</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/hunger-2007'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/375975/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Hunger was the debut full-length movie for Steve McQueen, and it is one of those movies where you have to watch it because it's a debut for a promising director, but it just burnt into my mind, to be honest i wish that i haven't seen it, it was too painful to watch.<br/><br />It tells the story of B&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505730'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:46:41 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505730 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505730 johanlefourbe posted a review of The Visitors <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505420'>An average movie</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/les-visiteurs-the-visitors'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/6647985/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;I remember it very well when this movie was released in France, it was pretty huge. Sure, since then, we had ‘Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulaine’ or ‘Intouchables’ which were not only some massive success in France but also abroad but, in fact, some really typical French comedies which ar&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505420'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:22:51 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505420 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7505420 MysteriousWolf posted a review of Mother's Day <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504563'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/mothers-day'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/608221/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;this film makes me have 2 mind in assessing it<br/><br />good: <br/><br />its nice to see adults as the main character instead of kids making this seem more like it could happen to anyone. the gore effect are wonderfully cheesy and low budget and i can say i enjoyed how our main characters transform&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504563'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:55:45 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504563 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504563 MysteriousWolf posted a review of Leatherface: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre III <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504152'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/leatherface-texas-chainsaw-massacre-iii-1990'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/610555/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;better than the second one but not as good as the first. very Hollywood and feels like somethings missing&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504152'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 30 Sep 2014 00:40:36 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504152 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7504152 johanlefourbe posted a review of Coming Soon <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7503062'>An average movie</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/coming-soon'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/2109296/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Honestly, I had some rather low expectations about this flick but since there was a rather intriguing cast, I thought I might as well give it a try. Eventually, it was rather surprising that it was written by 2 women and directed by one of them since it gave such a weak view on female teenage sexual&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7503062'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 29 Sep 2014 20:51:54 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7503062 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7503062 Stehako posted a review of Conan O'Brien Can't Stop <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502931'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/conan-obrien-cant-stop'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/2041790/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Anything O'Brien does is funny and entertaining. It's an enjoyable trip on the road and behind the scenes look at a rare type of tour. It makes me upset I didnt get a chance to see it in its short run. Overall, it's a documentary with nothing special or different to bring to the medium.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502931'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:36:17 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502931 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502931 Joshua "LF" posted a review of The Boxtrolls <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502621'>Review of The Boxtrolls</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/the-boxtrolls'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/5539202/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;The Boxtrolls upholds a fine tradition of stop-motion animated films. Beginning with Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas (critically NOT directed by Tim Burton), and followed by nearly a dozen other notable efforts, the genre of stop-motion films have been consistently released to critical &#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502621'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:15:24 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502621 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502621 Daddypantz posted a review of Chef <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502316'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/chef'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/6725906/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Finally took a minute to see Chef over the weekend and it lived up to the buzz. I loved the characters and the interaction between Carl and his son. Seemed very "real." Highly recommend Chef.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502316'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:51:11 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502316 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502316 johanlefourbe posted a review of Violent Cop <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502072'>A good movie</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/violent-cop'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/767651/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Back in the 90’s, I was a a huge fan of Takeshi Kitano. At some point, I thought he was so awesome, he might have been even better than Akira Kusosawa. Actually, I wasn’t the only one to think so, indeed, Kitano was definitely one of the major movie directors in the 90’s but it’s such a sham&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502072'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:04:11 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502072 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7502072 johanlefourbe posted a review of Wild at Heart <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7500932'>An average movie</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/wild-at-heart'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/151907/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;There was a time when Nicolas Cage was actually quite a brilliant actor, at the beginning of the 90’s, he even got to work with David Lynch and delivered one of his typical Gonzo performances. To be honest, even though this movie won the Golden Palm at the Cannes Film festival at the time, I perso&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7500932'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:27:14 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7500932 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7500932 Artie S. posted a review of The Last Man on Earth <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7499461'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/last-man-earth'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/3872743/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Vincent Price burning bodies with a gas mask and killing vampires that act like zombies. And I thought that throwing people in a pool of acid and having LSD trips were his most exquisite moments on the silver screen...<br/><br />Anyway, probably a huge influence on Romero's Night of the Living Dead.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7499461'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 29 Sep 2014 00:28:48 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7499461 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7499461 johanlefourbe posted a review of A Thousand Words <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498684'>An average movie</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/a-thousand-words-2009'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/3350883/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;That's it. I have seen all the movies starring Eddy Murphy. It is in fact rather surprising since I have never been a huge fan but, somehow, all his movie were broadcasted at least once on one of the Dutch channels I have. So, in the last 10 years, one by one, I have seen them all for free whenever&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498684'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:50:13 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498684 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498684 fernando posted a review of How to Steal a Million <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498503'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/how-to-steal-a-million'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/9596/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Gets better with the 'coup d'art' in the Museum. Otoole and Hepburn are big glamour and comedy stasr when such a thing was fading. Nice gag the atatue replaced by a bottle of wine.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498503'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:59:10 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498503 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498503 fernando posted a review of Boyhood <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498492'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/boyhood'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/7372635/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;(Seen in UVK)Don't seize the moment, the moment seizes you, is the message, or, at least, the final statement if there's any. Don't be so gloomy I would add, as many characters affirms Mason is. The unusual 'doinelesque' telling of the story in a wide lapse of filming, not only incolves a peculiar s&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498492'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:50:44 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498492 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7498492 OsamaEx posted a review of Behind the Candelabra <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7497976'>Great.</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/liberace'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/5233470/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;It is one of those movies, when you expect it to be bad or mediocre but you end up having a great time.<br/><br />It's tells the story of Liberace, a well known and famous pianist and entertainer, he lived a life of success and sexual perversion, he was known for his costumes and his candelabra (he &#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7497976'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:13:12 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7497976 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7497976 BAMF posted a review of The Punisher <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493698'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/the-punisher-3673'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/151605/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;I liked the recent Punisher movies. I liked War Zone for it's extreme violence and I liked the Thomas Jane version for the character himself. Now I am curious and decided to check out the original Dolph Lundgren version. I see that this is noted as Brendan Gleeson's very first time on-screen so that&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493698'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 04:39:01 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493698 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493698 dannyjai posted a review of The Astronaut's Wife <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493220'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/the-astronauts-wife-1999'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/5416810/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;This is a very slow paced movie, but for me the story pulled me through and was the main reason why I really enjoyed it. The story is good, but it is very drawn out. The actors do a good job with what they have, and the movie has enough turns to keep you interested. As I said I liked the movie, but &#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493220'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 01:59:11 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493220 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493220 dannyjai posted a review of Men of Honor <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493204'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/men-of-honor-2000'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/6655/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Men Of Honor is an interesting look at the first African American Navy Diver Chief Carl Brashear, and the racism he had to face. Cuba does a fantastic job as Carl Brashear, as does Robert De Niro as Master Chief Billy Sunday. Through his determination Brasher makes an impression on Sunday who in tur&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493204'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 01:45:16 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493204 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493204 dannyjai posted a review of North Country <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493191'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/north-country'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/1912/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;North Country is based on true events, about a sexual harassment case back in the 70's. North Country is a well written drama, that takes a honest look sexual harassment and how it effects not only the individual but also their family friends, and work life. Coming from a large work environment, we &#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493191'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 28 Sep 2014 01:34:14 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493191 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7493191 johanlefourbe posted a review of Marnie <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7491549'>A good movie</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/marnie-1964'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/141791/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;I had actually already seen this movie but it was quote a long time ago, so I was really eager to check it out again. Eventually, I think it is a rather minor work in Hitchcock's otherwise prestigious career but even so, it was quite entertaining and I really enjoyed it. The main issue, in my opinio&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7491549'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 27 Sep 2014 20:23:48 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7491549 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7491549 johanlefourbe posted a review of The Maze Runner <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7490373'>An average movie</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/the-maze-runner'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/6653108/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;It is obviously the end of the blockbuster season and this movie was the only new movie which seemed mildly interesting and, on top of that, Nick, my step-son was really enthusiastic about the whole thing. Basically, it was yet another young adult book adaptation but, to be honest, I thought it was &#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7490373'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:19:03 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7490373 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7490373 OsamaEx posted a review of Pain & Gain <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7488236'>Guilty Pleasure.</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/pain-and-gain'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/5567077/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;For the record, i just want to point out that making a comedy movie about a real murder is very inappropriate and Michael Bay is an ass**le for doing it, that being said, i also want to point out that Paramount didn't even pay a dime to the actual survivor Marc Schiller, which is usually not the cas&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7488236'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:14:40 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7488236 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7488236 BAMF posted a review of White Bird in a Blizzard <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7487139'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/white-bird-in-a-blizzard'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/7334026/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;I saw the trailer for this and it looked pretty interesting. It's good to see Thomas Jane returning to acting again. The acting is great and the story is intriguing. It was a good mystery and it kept you hooked to find out what really happened. I do think at times it dragged a bit. The end was twist&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7487139'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 27 Sep 2014 04:04:07 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7487139 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7487139 dannyjai posted a review of Escape from Planet Earth <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486169'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/escape-planet-earth'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/4625412/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;This movie is a fun family comedy, bright colorful and full of interesting characters. The story is basic, the acting so so. For a family film, it is enjoyable to watch.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486169'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 26 Sep 2014 23:37:49 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486169 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486169 dannyjai posted a review of Snitch <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486100'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/snitch-2013'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/6648009/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Snitch is an average drama, with Dwayne Johnson as John Matthews in a more serious role. The movie has good intentions, but is full of nonsense which lets it down. The movie is based on true events, and I don't think it did the story justice. It is a very dramatic complicated story, and the movie ne&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486100'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 26 Sep 2014 23:08:47 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486100 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486100 dannyjai posted a review of The Wolverine <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486025'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/xmen-origins-wolverine-2'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/5084225/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;I love Wolverine he is one of my favourite comic book characters, but as they continue to make shitty films around him I am starting to get sick of him. The only reason I watched this whole movie was Hugh Jackman, who I think makes a great Wolverine and the fact it was about the Woverine. I was hopi&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486025'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:52:04 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486025 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7486025 dannyjai posted a review of Cold Mountain <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485991'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/cold-mountain'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/3740/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;I love Renee Zellweger as Ruby, and her performance got me through this movie. The romantic side of things made me sick, and at times Inman played by Jude Law made me want to kill him myself. The movie has epic scenery, the story at times bland the acting of everyone else but the leads were great. I&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485991'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:44:09 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485991 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485991 dannyjai posted a review of Ben-Hur <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485940'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/benhur'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/159778/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;This movie is epic, mostly because of the scenery and the grand scale of the sets. Otherwise the story has been re written and filmed many times before, and the story never changes. I said the movie is great simply because of the grand scale of the sets, for a movie made in the nineteen fifties it i&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485940'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:39:30 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485940 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485940 dannyjai posted a review of The Bridge on the River Kwai <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485870'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/movie/the-bridge-on-the-river-kwai'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/36794/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;The Bridge on the River Kwai is an interesting piece of war drama, the main focus of the story is code of honor. The movie is well written, and acted and shoot. For a low budget film, the scenes were great. For me it was all about the story, told through different eyes. Colonel Saito wants to show h&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485870'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:27:16 GMT movies http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485870 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7485870