Update feed http://www.listal.com/feed/games/type:postreview en-us Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:56:36 GMT Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:56:36 GMT Listal.com Esskiv posted a review of Nintendo Wii <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641664'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/nintendo-wii-console-nintendo-wii'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/36440/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;It took too long for Nintendo to get online, and when they did their best games such as Melee were not on the list (GC game). Too little too late!&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641664'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 21 Oct 2014 05:24:35 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641664 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641664 Esskiv posted a review of Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641661'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/final-fantasy-tactics-a2-nintendo-'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/381050/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;This is one hell of a tRPG. A warning:<br/><br />- At 40-50 quests in there is a boss called the Flowsand Lord. His quest is called Pearls in the Deep. This boss is so hard that you might quit the game unless you have completed the CLAN TRIALS to help you through it!<br/><br />You have two save file&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641661'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 21 Oct 2014 05:23:01 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641661 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7641661 Fateless_Gerard posted a review of Neverwinter Nights <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7616717'>Very Disappoint</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/neverwinter-nights-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/4575157/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;The only good thing of this game is the multiplayer and Story Builder. Yeah, you can create your own story and play online with your friends or simple create a story for everbody download and play offline. The End for good stuff.<br/><br />Everthing that made Baldur´s Gate II amazing Bioware simple&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7616717'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:38:52 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7616717 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7616717 Eternity posted a review of Fire Emblem Awakening <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601104'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/fire-emblem-kakusei-nintendo-3ds'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/7292693/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;A big upgrade from the gba Fire Emblems. That's all I can say until a full playthrough. I hope this review convinces you to buy it if you played one of the Fire Emblems for gba.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601104'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Wed, 15 Oct 2014 02:54:17 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601104 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601104 Eternity posted a review of Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601093'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/crash-bandicoot-wrath-cortex-playstation-2'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/326672/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Between Crash Bandicoot 2, 3, and this game I like this one best partly for its engine/physics. Highly recommended for sheer fun! By the way it's difficult to pull off a good 3D platformer but Konami did it this time.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601093'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Wed, 15 Oct 2014 02:52:13 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601093 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601093 Eternity posted a review of Metroid Prime: Hunters <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601047'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/metroid-prime-hunters-nintendo-ds'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/3975423/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;The most amazing online shooter (good weapons good maps) that actually makes the stylus indispensable. 10/10&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601047'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Wed, 15 Oct 2014 02:40:43 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601047 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7601047 PerfectPortal posted a review of Assassin's Creed III <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561661'>"Assassin's Creed III" (PS3)</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/assassins-creed-iii-playstation-3'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/4265238/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;FIRST IMPRESSIONS<br/><br />Each of the Assassin's Creed games follows one of Desmond's ancestors in a different time period: first it was the Third Crusade, then it was the Italian Renaissance, this time it's the American Revolution.<br/><br />You actually play as two characters in the past this ti&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561661'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:47:23 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561661 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561661 PerfectPortal posted a review of Assassin's Creed II <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561370'>"Assassin's Creed II" (PS3)</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/assassins-creed-ii-playstation-3'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/868185/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;FIRST IMPRESSIONS<br/><br />This one's a mixed bag: it's simultaneously better than the first one and far worse.<br/><br />The beginning instantly drew me in, with its more personal, revenge-driven story. And simply being able to swim is an instant improvement! :D Several other new mechanics are add&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561370'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Wed, 08 Oct 2014 12:56:37 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561370 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7561370 Hereticked posted a review of Game of Thrones <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7544365'>Dark, Gritty Role Playing</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/game-of-thrones-xbox-360'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/productsus/50/B0065FYG8G/games/B0065FYG8G.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Although it's a lower budget and less polished spiritual cousin to past Bioware RPGs, Game of Thrones is an enjoyable experience that allows you to fully immerse yourself in the lore and atmosphere of "A Song of Ice and Fire."<br/><br />While having seen the show or read the books is by no means a p&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7544365'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 05 Oct 2014 21:18:21 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7544365 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7544365 kyotocafe posted a review of Divine Divinity <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7475299'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/divine-divinity-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/274233/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Just one word. Amazing.<br/><br />Buy the game if you have a PC and you don't own it already. I got the feeling that I had the first time I played Baldur's Gate, yeap, it's that good. The combat is very tactical with many factors to bear in my mind. It is a must.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7475299'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:04:55 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7475299 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7475299 Loyal-T posted a review of Ryse: Son of Rome <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7466687'>-</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/ryse-xbox-one'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/6486126/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Gamers old enough to have been apart of developer Crytek's progression from 2003's Far Cry to their recent forays into the free-to-play world with Warface are looking kelt to agree that the their success has been polarizing. The firm's success is deserved, though it could be argued that their achiev&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7466687'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:21:23 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7466687 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7466687 lesiid posted a review of Super Mario 64 <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7428445'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/super-mario-64-nintendo-64'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/905/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;un incontournable de la Nintendo 64, Une bonne durée de jeux, une rejouabilité infinie, des graphismes excellents, une jouabilité quasi parfaite (quelques défauts sur la caméra) des musiques accrocheuses. tout détenteur de Nintendo 64 doit avoir ce jeu !&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7428445'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:39:24 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7428445 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7428445 नोएल posted a review of The Darkness II Limited Edition <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7400557'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/darkness-ii-limited-edition-xbox-360'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/4352150/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;This game focused on suping up the combat mechanics pretty much to the exclusion of the development of any other parts of the game. The storyline is much more choppy and forced and you feel less of a drive to actually achieve the character's goals in the story. What actually drives the player most&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7400557'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:29:39 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7400557 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7400557 D-rekt posted a review of Mirror's Edge <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7351842'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/mirrors-edge-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/380819/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;You name is faith connors you are a Parkour runner trying to fight for her sister´s freedom after being falsly charged for murder,<br/><br />This is a beautifull looking parkour game, amazing graphics, amazing sound design, amazing level design, awsome gameplay.<br/><br />in this agme you have to r&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7351842'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:49:57 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7351842 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7351842 Arphahat posted a review of Hexcells Plus <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7311560'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/hexcells-plus-'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/7417771/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Challenging puzzle game that is a souped-up minesweeper. Though it doesn't seem like it at times, all the puzzles can be done without guessing. Fun, but short. Still, an enjoyable experience.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7311560'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 01 Sep 2014 02:42:35 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7311560 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7311560 J3T posted a review of Need for Speed Underground <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310610'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/need-speed-underground-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/194865/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Speed,Speed,Speed,Drift,Speed,Speed. This game it´s all about having the fastest car and a little bit of skill to control it.With almost 200 races in the campaign, hundreds of cars to choose from, various customized "skins", from the hood to the windows, this game has it all for a boost in the need&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310610'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:04:09 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310610 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310610 D-rekt posted a review of Call of Duty: World at War <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310596'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/call-duty-world-war-collectors-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/4788185/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;What i think: i ahve 143 hours in this game (pc only) have bought every DLC on the ps3 there is, but is it that good? Well its not perfect but i can say it is<br/><br />the best WW2 shooter yet!<br/><br />Story: you are private alan and private Russian whats is name, and you are in 2 campaigns (amer&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310596'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:57:25 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310596 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7310596 J3T posted a review of Cry Of Fear <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7302749'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/cry-of-fear-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/5068976/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Cry of Fear in one of the best mods i´ve played in my entire life, and guess what, it´s free *-*. Cry of fear was released in 2013 by Team Psykskallar and was considered the mod of the year by Moddb, the whole game is based on survival and pretty much finding the answers to Simon´s, the protagoni&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7302749'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:14:34 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7302749 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7302749 J3T posted a review of Warriors Orochi <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7294631'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/warriors-orochi-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/308524/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Warriors Orochi, a Beat´em´up Japanese game, with almost a hundred warriors to choose from, this game has everything to make your sleep delay, that until you pass your very first campaign, from 4 campaigns i decided to pick the shu one and then i gave up on this game, and that because it is all th&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7294631'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:47:08 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7294631 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7294631 J3T posted a review of Quake III: Arena <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290938'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/quake-iii-arena-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/182870/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Coming out in 1999 for the PC, Quake 3 Arena was one of the most anticipated FPS at the time, but as soon as the release came, people wondered why it was a Deathmatch type game, and not a story/campaign game, ID Software wanted to make something new for Quake, and for those who are fans of the franc&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290938'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Fri, 29 Aug 2014 00:11:41 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290938 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290938 J3T posted a review of Metal Gear Solid <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290890'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/metal-gear-solid-greatest-hits-playstation'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/158546/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Metal Gear Solid, probably the best Stealth Tactical Espionage Action of all time, or maybe the only one who is good enough for a first play. Released in 1998, the whole idea of being in a place like Alaska all came to hell when a group called "Foxhound" decided to create the ultimate nuclear weapon&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290890'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Thu, 28 Aug 2014 23:49:45 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290890 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290890 J3T posted a review of Hidden & Dangerous <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290886'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/hidden-and-dangerous-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/322646/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;One of the best Stealth Tactical Shooters of all time, controlling up to 4 men in each mission, choosing about 10 men into each campaign, the whole game is based on stealth approaches though you may choose to shoot your way through the objectives, it is still one hell of a game. Released in 1999 for&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290886'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Thu, 28 Aug 2014 23:47:09 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290886 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7290886 ran88dom99 posted a review of Supreme Ruler 2020 <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7258865'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/supreme-ruler-2020-windows-xp'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/712451/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Unlike its competitors the ministers in this game can do a good job of micromanaging everything to distant worlds degrees.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7258865'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 25 Aug 2014 02:39:17 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7258865 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7258865 ran88dom99 posted a review of Geopolitical Simulator Masters Of The World <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7255343'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/masters-of-the-world-'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/6088490/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Way too much micro. As far as I know there is no way to let the AI take over stupid and repetitive functions. That is a game killer for me. For example trade contracts should be automatic and on a global scale which would be much more true to life. Compared to Fate of the World MoW has much better, &#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7255343'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:39:55 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7255343 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7255343 mazardeus posted a review of Super Mario Land <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7235151'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/super-mario-land-nintendo-3ds'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/2143289/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;A short game filled with a brilliantly bizarre atmosphere. The gameplay is very simple and addicting to the point of providing amazing replay value&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7235151'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Thu, 21 Aug 2014 16:44:50 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7235151 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7235151 ran88dom99 posted a review of Fate of the World <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7234392'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/fate-of-the-world-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/1813749/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Match solution card to problem news. Repeat 25 times. Its relationship graph made me want to play Democracy 3.&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7234392'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:49:47 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7234392 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7234392 Jason Kral posted a review of Final Fantasy XIII <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7096774'>Final Fantasy XIII...</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/final-fantasy-xiii-playstation-3'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/1058958/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;I know it's been said 1000 times before and I know that many have said it better than me, but this game SUCKS.<br/><br />Okay okay. I have reasons for this. I'm not just blindly hating the game. In fact, I completed this game 100% (got the platinum trophy twice). For a game itself it's not the worst&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7096774'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 04 Aug 2014 18:05:58 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7096774 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7096774 GruntLogic posted a review of Watch Dogs <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093762'>Nothing worth watching here, folks.</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/watch-dogs-playstation-4'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/5936799/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Yup. Five out of a possible ten. That's what I'm rating this game as, marginally average. It has just enough polish to elevate it to complete mediocrity, which is just above where the majority of this game dwells.<br/><br />This is just one confused mess of a game. I'm not sure I even know where&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093762'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:02:46 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093762 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093762 GruntLogic posted a review of Shovel Knight <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093405'>Digging up the glorious past.</a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/shovel-knight-pc'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/7062502/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Shovel Knight might be one of the best [modern] old-school platformers ever made. <br/><br />It's not just old school in terms of how it plays, bit also in how it looks and sounds. It takes its cues from the color palette of the days of the NES (with the addition of the SNES era effect of Parallax &#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093405'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Mon, 04 Aug 2014 07:45:13 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093405 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7093405 lesiid posted a review of Aladdin <p><b><a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7084381'></a></b></p><p style='color:black;'><a href='http://www.listal.com/game/disneys-aladdin-snes'><img src='http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/483173/50full.jpg' style='float: left;margin-right:6px;' /></a>&#8220;Excellent jeux de plateforme/aventure tiré du film de Disney, respectant très bien la trame du film, le jeu est un must-have pour la SNES, quoi que court, il a une capacité de rejouabilité excellente !&#8221; <a href='http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7084381'>read more</a><br class='clearboth' /></p> Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:43:57 GMT games http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7084381 http://www.listal.com/viewentry/7084381